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Should showtriggers be allowed with timer on?

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Should showtriggers be allowed with timer on?

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No
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Larry

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If we can draw clipbrushes I don't see why we can't draw triggers.. If someone got an offline wr with showtriggers_toggle would it still be considered wr?


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If we can draw clipbrushes I don't see why we can't draw triggers.. If someone got an offline wr with showtriggers_toggle would it still be considered wr?

on a more serious note, I can't really think of any way to abuse showtriggers for runs. If anyone knows, I'd be willing to say no but right now can't really think of one.


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Is it really that bad not being able to have it on? I understand the offline thing like reero said, but was it ever an issue that someone used showtrigger in a run to gain a significant advantage? It's mostly used to understand how to do a jump, once you learned it, you shouldn't have to turn it on again during runs..

I think it would just make some jumps easier than they should be. Call it bad map design if you want if an invisible tele trigger gets you randomly on some jump, but it's part of grinding the map to know where those are and what to look out for when running, without having to just press a button to show it to you.

And seeing regen triggers would make regen limited jumps maybe easier? Idk I feel like seeing where the regen is would be kind of cheap, it would take out the learning proccess of a jump if you can just look up or w/e and see that you're about to hit regen. For example kilo last, the regen trigger is just a box on the tele destination, but seeing it makes the cheat of jumping into it so you get an extra rocket way easier. Or aggregate, knowing where the regen is in the middle of the jump is one thing and is part of what you have to learn when grinding the map, but just seeing it while you run is something else.

That being said, I understand the point reero made about being able to see clipbrushes so why wouldn't you be able to see triggers as well; clipbrushes gives an advantage on some jumps, like showtriggers would on other jumps. I wouldn't mind if it ends up being a thing, but do we really want to just make a few jumps easier just because clipbrushes is allowed?


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Overall it really doesn't make that big of a difference, and it's not like guyyst's rotw is the only one that uses it

Only thing I can think of is that it will make high tele pogo as demo substantially easier (see mireal last cheat).


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Is it really that bad not being able to have it on? I understand the offline thing like reero said, but was it ever an issue that someone used showtrigger in a run to gain a significant advantage? It's mostly used to understand how to do a jump, once you learned it, you shouldn't have to turn it on again during runs..

I think it would just make some jumps easier than they should be. Call it bad map design if you want if an invisible tele trigger gets you randomly on some jump, but it's part of grinding the map to know where those are and what to look out for when running, without having to just press a button to show it to you.

And seeing regen triggers would make regen limited jumps maybe easier? Idk I feel like seeing where the regen is would be kind of cheap, it would take out the learning proccess of a jump if you can just look up or w/e and see that you're about to hit regen. For example kilo last, the regen trigger is just a box on the tele destination, but seeing it makes the cheat of jumping into it so you get an extra rocket way easier. Or aggregate, knowing where the regen is in the middle of the jump is one thing and is part of what you have to learn when grinding the map, but just seeing it while you run is something else.

That being said, I understand the point reero made about being able to see clipbrushes so why wouldn't you be able to see triggers as well; clipbrushes gives an advantage on some jumps, like showtriggers would on other jumps. I wouldn't mind if it ends up being a thing, but do we really want to just make a few jumps easier just because clipbrushes is allowed?

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I think jump transparency is more important. When I'm in the middle of a run, I want to be able to use all of the tools I can to understand and learn a jump, although noclip is not an option. Learning through trial and error is important, but that should come when you are trying to perform a jump, not when you are trying to understand it.


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massive agree with gorge you can cheat jumps like that shit on revenge so easy if you have showtriggers on

and the nmotion2 bonus


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Surf servers outline obnoxious teleport brushes for consistencies sake, and I think that's a really good idea. I don't see why we should keep things difficult just for difficulties sake, if the difficulty comes from things being annoying as opposed to mechanically challenging.


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massive agree with gorge you can cheat jumps like that shit on revenge so easy if you have showtriggers on

and the nmotion2 bonus

Oh wow I didn't even think about the nmotion2 bonus. Can I revote? I'm 100% against this now.


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I mean nmotion2 b4 doesnt really count since its t1 now and you can already cheat it

Edit: you could even argue that now that its t1, you're expected to "cheat it" making it unfair if you don't have someone to help you
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 10:14:51 PM by VAVLIE »


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there's no unfair advantages to using it, if there's dumb invisible teles that's shitty map making not interesting jump design. idk how you can justify grinding a shit tele to be able to cut it close by sight compared to being able to see the tele and cut it close every time, that shouldn't be what running a map is about.

same goes for regen on ammo limited jumps, figuring out where the regen is by trial and error takes no skill, just time, and if that can be avoided it's a good thing.


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I don't like the idea personally, but it should be allowed if all the other console cheats are allowed.


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This will not make top times faster, but it will make the top a bit closer, and more competition is good.

I don't like change or new things so I voted no.