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I'm perplexed on why new maps are now kept impossible on purpose while it would be pretty easy to just ask the mapper to tweak a thing or two for the unintended class before it hits tempus, it's just not coherent with what was being done just a few months ago.
The map bonuses were possible on earlier versions even. Now there are soldier specific teleports at the very start of the bonuses so you can't even start the bonus.


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I've talked to Boshy and others, so now I think I have a good idea of what happened. The map was put on tempus quite suddenly and Boshy says it wasn't even supposed to be added because it is a meme map. Boshy was not happy with the first bonus, either because he thought it would require edgebugs or just be not fun for soldier, so he asked exile and sere to add the soldier tele to b1 and also remove the dog/cat textures. What exile also did was add the other 3 bonuses and put soldier teles in those as well, assuming Boshy would want that as well.

A large part of this situation is miscommunication and a lack of care. I think this was handled very irresponsibly by the admins not explaining or even responding here, regardless of how "little" these bonuses matter. I do not want situations like this continue, making us question why the admins did what they did or what they will do next.

I do not think Boshy's reason for asking the bonus to be made impossible is justified and I hope the admins will correct this mistake by simply removing a single tele in each bonus. This does not have to be a big deal if it is just corrected.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 03:57:58 PM by MrHappyCamper »


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i dont really see this "sudden shift" into making things impossible. isnt this the only instance of this happening


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i dont really see this "sudden shift" into making things impossible. isnt this the only instance of this happening

there was lithium b1 which was marked as t0 for sol at first, not the same thing but the same vein


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I do not think Boshy's reason for asking the bonus to be made impossible is justified and I hope the admins will correct this mistake by simply removing a single tele in each bonus. This does not have to be a big deal if it is just corrected.
whether or not boshy's reason for the bonus to be made impossible is justified is irrelevant, the mapmaker didn't want the bonus to be possible as soldier so it isn't. removing teles and shit from maps that had no thought put into them for soldier is different than a map that was intentionally made impossible. i think it's kinda dumb going out of your way to make it impossible but i don't think it really matters and i dont see why youre making such a big fuss


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the mapmaker didn't want the bonus to be possible as soldier so it isn't.
Exile made it impossible cause he was asked to and because he doesn't care.


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i dont really see this "sudden shift" into making things impossible. isnt this the only instance of this happening

For jump_armature, Consition was about to turn the map possible for soldier like he did for his previous maps (horus, impulse) but then the map was just added with only one of the three courses doable.  At the time I found it really weird since it made more sense to me to just have Consition add the soldier cheats instead of having scotch turn it possible on tempus afterward like he's been doing with other older impossible maps.



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i dont really see this "sudden shift" into making things impossible. isnt this the only instance of this happening

For jump_armature, Consition was about to turn the map possible for soldier like he did for his previous maps (horus, impulse) but then the map was just added with only one of the three courses doable.  At the time I found it really weird since it made more sense to me to just have Consition add the soldier cheats instead of having scotch turn it possible on tempus afterward like he's been doing with other older impossible maps.
not making a map possible is not the same as making it impossible


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Here are my two cents. So from what I'm gathering Boshy played the map and gave feedback to either Sere or exile. If exile was the one to go back into Hammer and make the fix himself, that's fine. It's HIS map and he can make any change he wants to it. If it was sere just adding the teleports without exile's permission, that's a different story. If that were the case I don't think it's justified, and it should be reverted (unless exile wants it this way).

This "precedent" that you claim will come as a result of this is completely negligible as mappers can do what they want. If they make a demo map and want ONLY demos to complete it, that perfectly fine. I've seen you say it gives soldiers nothing to do on the map, but I disagree. It makes you learn a new skill: demo jumping.

As for you saying Boshy's opinion is unjustified, keep in mind it's his opinion and he gave feedback on a map, kinda like playtesting. Different people have different ideas of what a jump map should be, so don't just say someone's ideas are stupid simply because they differ from yours.
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I respect the ability of mappers to do what they want with their jumps and your thoughts on this. I still think adding a tele such as this crosses the line and should not be left without proper criticism, I do not support mappers and especially admins doing this in the future so I make a stand against it now. We often don't ask mappers if they are ok with us adding in extra things for the off-class or adding extra regen so that we don't die, we do it because it doesn't effect the core gameplay of the map and it gives us more things to do. This is a classic "freedom to restrict other's freedom" scenario.

As for you saying Boshy's opinion is unjustified, keep in mind it's his opinion and he gave feedback on a map, kinda like playtesting. Different people have different ideas of what a jump map should be, so don't just say someone's ideas are stupid simply because they differ from yours.

This is a bit insulting, I am against what happened for the reasons I gave. It would not help me to be against maps that I don't agree with being added since I want some maps that many other people dislike to be added. I wish most people would take the statement you just made to heart.


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im gonna ask the real question here:
why were the dog and cat textures removed?


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everyone who thinks this is a meme map can't tell the difference between having a sense of humor and intentionally making garbage