jump_wallpog

[_Scary]

After spending some time watching people (mostly stock users) die by the hands of the first pogo into climb jump on attached2, I decided enough is enough. Even with me giving these gamers top tier instructions, aiming slightly to the left to climb proved way too difficult. I needed something else, anything, to help instruct these precious stock users.

So that's when I got the idea to make an angled brush on the floor right by the climbable wall, to use as reference for how to angle your aim with stock. It wasn't perfect, but it did the job. And then it all kind of derailed from there, with me wanting to make a map that shows off most (basic) wallpogo techniques with a (sort of) logical progression.

So here it is, jump_wallpog.
Right now it's a linear wallpogo map with 5 courses.

C1 - climbs

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        1. rj
        2. rj
        3. climb
        4. pogo
        5. pogo -> climb
        6. pogo -> climb
        7. right wall
        8. left wall
        9. pogo -> climb (wall switch (corners))
        10. pogo -> climb (wall switch) -> pogo

C2 - downpogos

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        1. downpogo -> pogo
        2. more downpogo -> pogo
        3. even more downpogo -> pogo
        4. single wall downpogo -> pogo
        5. single wall downpogo AGAIN but other side -> pogo
        6. downpogo (corner allowed) -> wallpogo -> climb
        7. that jump everybody syncs on attached (c2 4 I think?) but you can't really cheat this one

C3 - corners

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        1. pogo -> right corner
        2. pogo -> left corner
        3. right corner
        4. left corner
        5. 2x right corners
        6. 2x left corners
        7. Pogo -> downpogo -> left/right corner -> climb
        8. right wall -> right corner -> wall switch -> left wall -> left corner
        9. rj -> 2x right/left corners -> wall switch -> 2 right/left corners
      10. "outdent" -> corner
      11. mirrored 10
      12. hell for those who dislike corners (basically a bunch of 2x corners -> wall switch)

C4 - recoveries

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        1. corner recovery
        2. wallpogo with 3 small annoying "outdents" (<-- my idea here is to basically teach the strafes you do for recovery, feedback is much appreciated)
        3. controlled single wall descent -> corner recovery -> corner -> climb
        4. controlled descent with a twist (it's a corner)

C5 - drop pogos

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        1. pogo -> googly gangly floppy doodle upper and over super pogo
        2. pogo -> climb -> googly gangly floppy doodle upper and over super pogo
        3. drop pogo -> climb
        4. drop pogo -> climb
        5. drop pogo -> climb
        6. drop pogo -> climb -> googly gangly floppy doodle upper and over super pogo
        7. downpogo -> drop pogo -> drop pogo -> climb
        8. up and over -> wallshot
        9. up and over -> drop pogo

Download (current version): jump_wallpog_a4

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It is very much a WIP, but I figured there might be a few wall enthusiasts here who are willing to have a look and give me some feedback. Jump suggestions are very much welcomed!

The plan right now is to add a 5th course centered around easier recoveries and to put it before c4. I might stop with that, or add a 6th course where I put the more challenging jumps + some other jumps that aren't just 10 iterations of the same jump.

Also sorry about the inconsistent unshootable wall textures, that will be fixed eventually.

[Elessar]

Good work! Looking forward to the finished result 

[Beagle]

Hey, Scary_. Nice mapping, never knew you started using hammer. 

When I saw your name and in the new maps catagory ,it was my duty as a certified wallpogo gremlin to review this up and coming map.
 I played this map both with original and with cow-mangler to give myself level-headed playtest.
The little brush work you did on the ground to make newer jump players understand how to line up to a wall might actually help. Intresting idea.


For the courses my experience was:
Course 1

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Simple, nice.The diffculty scaling is alright.Can't comment anymore then that.

Course 2

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This has a bit more to say.I see that this course was build more for endurance wall climbing.The dif curve nicely carries over from course 1 to course2,steadily increacing.

Course 3

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Not sure what to think of this course.It's more of a connector then a actual course.It's a corner pogo course,I understard that.It's rather repetitive.I'm sure you can improve this course,it has more potential.

Course4

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Same as course 3.It suffers from repeating the same idea,icreasing the size of it each level. But that is just at the beginning of the course. Towards the final box area where you complete the map and the course there are two 180 over the wall switch levels.I feel like they are misplaced. Final jump is way harder then any jump leading in to it. You mentioned that you will be increacing the size of the map. Maybe cut those last two and place them further into the map.

Detailing

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Clean, reminds me of jump_cavern detailing technique used in the connectors. Could have more props, looks empty. It's up to you what kind of theme you wanna follow. 
There are some few brush overlaps issues in course4, not sure what you meant there.

Final thoughts about the map. It has potential to become a really good map. 


Merry christmas

[_Scary]

jump_wallpog_a4 (download)

Fixed some weird texture errors.
Added a bunch of jumps to C3 and added some recovery jumps (C4). Will probably add a final recovery jump or two some time later.
C5 goes from 0-100 in the end, but hey that's advanced wallpogo for you.

[Dr Gains]

I think this maps coming along nicely. Only complaints would be maybe adding some sort of indicator for where it is safe on c1 2nd last, and do something different than a cornerpogo for the last 2 recovery levels, 2nd last youre just adding something to fail after doing the recovery, and last you can kind of just maintain vertical speed then haul ass to end in like 4~5 rockets after that last gap. Also, even in the current version, recovery is probably harder than droppogo course, last 2 levels where you go over the wall really dont feel that difficult, but that might just be my own opinion. Anyway, good job so far.

[ixam]

I played through this map on stream, here are my thoughts as a stock main:

c1:

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This is all good, I like the idea for teaching stock wallpogo, maybe add an info box explaining that you have to hold w and tap d to stay in place since most beginners will otherwise just go into the corner 

c2:

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Also good

c3:

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For the corner pogos it seems strange to put right wall first since this map seems to encourage stock, however I otherwise liked the difficulty curve

c4:

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Levels 1 and 2 are fine however the difficulty spike from level 2 to level 3 is insane, like the map goes from t4 to hard t6 in an instant, I have no idea why the wall is so long when single wall recovery is already quite hard. Like this is by far the hardest jump in the map and its not close,  also it's very easy to cheat it with a telesync. I'd personally make the single wall about 1/4 the size and add an extra jump to help ease into recovery. Last is fine but can just be strafed like dr gains said 

c5:

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feels easier than c4 so maybe combine both courses or something idk, drop pogo and recovery are basically the same so doesn't make much sense to separate them. Also last is too easy, I'd make it two 180's in a row so its not possible to just fluke it

Overall a pretty good map, although going from t4 to t6 is quite jarring this is still a really good map for learning recovery and drop pogo