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On my understanding of how casual's plugin works, it seems as though online TAS would be possible which is a huge problem. Casual is a hacker that makes hacks and sells them to people. ( look at his utube channel and website Casualhacks.net) What makes you think that the plugin is safe in his hands anyway.

Even if Casual or obs doesnt release it, what makes you think that nobody is capable of reproducing a undetectable TAS plugin and making it as good or even better than casual's TAS. There are more hackers in TF2 than before because there more people making hacks. It might not even matter that yr plugin cannot be modified if someone can make one from scratch.

Right now we cant take STV demos as legit or POV demos as reliable (nolem's plugin can be detected but casual's is undetected) and if casual succeeds in making the online TAS undetectable. GG community

I really hope this doesnt happen, but we really need to find a way to prove a fake.

Besides, TAS runs makes normal runs boring. After watching Casual's ultra and skylight run, watching tusic's legit ultra run or john's legit skylight run felt empty. Like there was something lacking. The expectation of the runs for me was way too high now.
There are even people calling the baqu rotw bad despite it being one of the best runs ever because of TAS runs that are pushing expectations higher. TAS is like the porn for jumping and that is probably gonna be a bad thing.

after reading that: fuck.


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On my understanding of how casual's plugin works, it seems as though online TAS would be possible which is a huge problem.
That was a joke... Online is "not possible" because the game isn't deterministic enough. Small errors accumulate.

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Casual is a hacker that makes hacks and sells them to people. ( look at his utube channel and website Casualhacks.net)
Well... I haven't sold a thing to anyone so there's that. I may have intended to sell at some point but I never quite got there and probably never will.

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What makes you think that the plugin is safe in his hands anyway.
I respect the some people in the jumping community and even though I disagree with their stance on tas I have no released a thing because they asked me not to.

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Right now we cant take STV demos as legit or POV demos as reliable (nolem's plugin can be detected but casual's is undetected) and if casual succeeds in making the online TAS undetectable. GG community
You can start by requiring and releasing POV + STV demos for every jump uploaded to youtube... I don't understand why this doesn't already happen. Eg raiin would never have gotten so far if this was the norm. POV demos are actually really hard to fake, the ultra run had a few mistakes in it that were caught and I fixed those in the skylight run. The skylight POV demo still isn't perfect it's just that you guys don't know where to look, but I could personally figure out it wasn't legit.

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I really hope this doesnt happen, but we really need to find a way to prove a fake.
Start by requiring and releasing all POV + STV for every run uploaded.

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Besides, TAS runs makes normal runs boring. After watching Casual's ultra and skylight run, watching tusic's legit ultra run or john's legit skylight run felt empty. Like there was something lacking. The expectation of the runs for me was way too high now.
There are even people calling the baqu rotw bad despite it being one of the best runs ever because of TAS runs that are pushing expectations higher. TAS is like the porn for jumping and that is probably gonna be a bad thing.
Console games have been TAS'd to hell and back yet there is still a speedrunning community, an example, I really enjoyed:


Even if a TAS run is low effort (because there's no real competition) doesn't mean any TAS run cannot require effort, see:


Then again this has been said time and time and time and time and time and time again......


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So whoever hosted that dislike brigade on my last video, Thanks! That's all the encouragement I need to do more TAS's. So I can continue to have fun and piss you guys off!  ;D

Grow the fuck up, you children. It was on a map that no one would ever try to jump on, and has basically no relevance to this community. No one would speedrun it. No one would try to make a showcase for it. My video was just for fun. Fuck off.

I will NEVER lie about anything I do with a TAS. I will NEVER make even the smallest attempt to pass this stuff off as legit.
If you don't like that, then just fucking ignore it. If you don't like me, then fucking ignore me, I won't miss you.
I'm going to keep doing whatever I want over here in RNCLand, you guys can do whatever you want over in CuntLand, I don't care.

Leave me alone.


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I understand that some people don't like the idea of tool assisted speedruns in tf2. I definitely don't like the idea of TAS videos being the only videos to watch. However, that's not a good reason to shove a stick up your ass and continue complaining - TAS isn't going anywhere now. If it really has that much of an impact on you, unsubscribe from people making the videos and stop watching them. Obs made a separate videos thread for a reason. TAS videos are a different category and it's pretty clear that people who just want to watch real jumping shouldn't have to see them. Don't be a dick and go out of your way just to downvote somebody because you decided to watch their video. Fucking grow up.


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If people are going to condemn the jumpers who are open about using TAS.  It just means that people are less apt to admit using it in the first place.  :-\



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you can turn off rating. if you really care about rating , i got 3 dislikes on my last vids (not even cheat or tas vids) , but i dont give a fuck .


Complaining isn't going to do shit.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2015, 05:07:47 PM by Kendrick »
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you can turn off rating. if you really care about rating , i got 3 dislikes on my last vids (not even cheat or tas vids) , but i dont give a fuck .


Complaining isn't going to do shit.

I don't think anybody really cares that much about the ratings. If you genuinely didn't like the video then sure, dislike it. I won't consider turning off ratings because in my eyes that's just dumb. The thing is that here you have the option not to watch the videos, but people still go out of their way to dislike them. After my last video had been up for a couple hours I posted it to the tas videos thread. Within ten minutes of it being there it went from 0 to 6 dislikes. I don't want this to sound like I'm asking you not to dislike videos, I'm just saying if you don't like watching tas vids then don't watch them, it's not that complicated.


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people will always be stupid though
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people will always be stupid though
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That Elyssia White is salty as fuck on every not-perfect jumping video ever...


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people will always be stupid though
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why did elie even get a jump movie dedicated to her

and a jump movie with her in it.

:/

That Elyssia White is salty as fuck on every not-perfect jumping video ever...