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How much do you want forum posts to be moderated?

No moderation at all (Delete only spam & bot-posts)
4 (8.5%)
Strong Moderation (Delete all memey/pointless replies and inflammatory personal replies from all boards but off-topic)
17 (36.2%)
Moderate Moderation (Delete most memey/pointless replies and inflammatory personal replies from all boards except off-topic)
14 (29.8%)
Minor Moderation (Delete some memey/pointless replies and inflammatory personal replies from all boards except off-topic)
9 (19.1%)
Other (Explain in your reply)
1 (2.1%)
Extreme Moderation (Delete all memey/pointless replies and inflammatory personal replies from all boards)
2 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closed: February 06, 2016, 01:19:49 AM

John

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Moderate moderation actually won last time and we just haven't been enforcing it as we should be (We've been leaning towards Moderate/Minor moderation because of the amount of people who voted for no moderation at all.)

Of course, if there's a clear winner this time around, we'll be pushing for that instead.

I would like your examples of moderation as well because we've have tons of banter and lightweight meme posts that haven't been removed. But if you guys want that removed as well, we can do that.

old post for reference: http://tf2rj.com/forum/index.php?topic=629
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 01:27:45 AM by John »


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im for strong/most moderation but instead want all meme shit to be removed even from off-topic, otherwise there will never be any real off-topic discussion


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Well I mean....I feel like meming has sadly become a part of the community, and it's almost what keeps it alive in a sense. I feel like these forums will be 99% dead without them...the jump academy group has over 27,000 members, and it has a subforum here at jump.tf. I think we should make announcements on jump academys group to promote jump.tf and tf2rjweekly so we can finally get a decent amount of new people on the forums and talk about real shit. For now, the only thing that even gets posted on these forums is memes, without them, this forum would be as dead as jump academys site.

We shouldnt split a small community into two sites (jumpacademy.tf and jump.tf)
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Well you can meme you face off in off-topic I'm fine with that. Try and keep the rest for somewhat normal discussion.


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Firstly,
I think the best way to solve this is give the portion of the community who seem to have fun shit posting an exclusive place to do it.  I've played with some of these people on jump servers and that is pretty much how they choose to express themselves beyond the forum.  This is the best form of compromise I can think of.

That being said..
Regardless of how much activity it provides, I don't think it bodes well to enable this kind of behavior beyond that.  Even as it is now, I feel like it's a bad look for the forum.  The biggest reason I maintain interest in this forum is more for the subject matter and less for the community.  Granted, not everyone shares this view of mine, but I'm sure there are quite a few who do hold a similar outlook.

Because such a large portion of posts on here are comprised of people essentially talking about nothing, to me, there isn't much appeal in conversing with a community like that.  Why waste time trying to have a coherent conversation when others just continue to post unintelligible garbage?  The fact that this kind of behavior is such a commonality around here serves as a major deterrent for those who feel likewise.

I believe you are doing the right thing by reaching out to the community on whether or not a change is necessary.  Although I'm not entirely happy with how our community is, I see no reason to do anything if most members are fine with its current state.   

Regarding moderation policies..
Generally, I don't think that staff should have to act as a behavioral police of sorts(except on an individual basis).  I'd rather people be allowed to act how they want, provided they don't always write in a shit post-like fashion.  Also, I really would like an off-topic forum that isn't the hot spot for shit posting. 
That's pretty much it.


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A meme or a shitpost is fine now and then. If a thread or user starts to only be these they should be removed. Especially with new users, in my opinion if they only post irrelevant annoying stuff it should be removed (and we've had a lot of that here).


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As the votes are right now, does this mean that we can't post gifs in reply to a post else now or does that not count under memes / shitposting?

I'm going to edit this second part in, hoping that people will not reply to my question about gifs before I post this edit:

I may be wrong on this, but I don't really see any Global Moderators around the forums that much. I think it would be great to have more global moderators who you know are mature and can moderate the forum properly. Again, I may be wrong on this but I think most Global Moderators are inactive and you should re-elect new Global Moderators who come onto the forums regularly so that we have some quote-on-quote "actual moderation"

We shouldnt split a small community into two sites (jumpacademy.tf and jump.tf)

If we're going to put the community together like this, then here's some more evidence that we need some more Global Moderators here. We can only predict that there will be a lot of people who will abuse the system and shitpost / meme anywhere by any means possibly and then inevitably get banned, like cody and mireal. But to make sure we can keep on top of all this, since the Jump Academy group has 27 thousand members, there's sure to be at least ten or more shitposters, knowing the community at the state it is in (as previously mentioned by Vexon here:

Well I mean....I feel like meming has sadly become a part of the community, and it's almost what keeps it alive in a sense.

From what this quote implies, the only reason the community is alive (In Vexon's opinion) is because of memes and shitposters. I do admit that I once was a shitposter, but now that I have stopped, I can stop think about my actions and how we can prevent shitposting going any further then I took it. I think for what the community is at the moment, the levels of shitposting that I produced should be properly the maximum and anything beyond that can be considered going too far. The reason that I think that going beyond what I did as a shitposter is considered too far is because cody got banned for shitposting and memes and john stated that it was higher shitposting levels then me, which (in what I think) implies that the highest shitposting can go before someone gets a ban from the website is what I did. Another example of shitposting and taking it too far is mireal when he changed the groups, but we can afford to go over that as it was likely a mistake and will probably never happen again (I can admit I also did some stuff during the security breath time peroid, but I was little knowledged at the time and didn't really understand the interface and how it was meant to be to admins only. In addition to this,  I tried to fix everything that mireal did, but he kept reverting what I was trying to restore to its original state, this kept ggoing and john eventually banned him. After the incident, I talked to john about it and we cleared it up)

I think we should have a vote which is from 10 people Rokio and John think that would be suitable for the role as Global Moderator and choose 5 from the 10 they choose to moderate the forums. This could only really be the case really if we're going to put both the Jump Academy and jump.tf together, as Vexon mentioned. We could do the same thing for what the forums are like now. 5 people from the choice of Rokio and John and select 1 or 2 to be a Global Moderator.

Honestly, I may be going too far into this idea of having more moderators and having more members and what would happen in an extreme scenario, but I think it would be a good thing to take into account just in case. You can glance over this if you want, but there's always that small possibility that it could happen. I also want to add that I don't mean to offend any of the Global Moderators when I write this.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 04:40:26 PM by HyperDan »


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The first three non-admin posts from the last one sum up my thoughts pretty well. Except the holy trinity is now Melon, Obeezy and I.

But yeah some of the shitposting probably turns some people away. Hiding it from recent really helps. Most shitposting is offtopic autism so it belongs there. It can still be about regular off topic stuff like broccolli and change.org petitions.

Can we get some EXAMPLES in here that are shitposts outside of off topic.

A wise man once said, “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” What do you have to fear?


Also "we have (we've) have. cmon john...
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 04:26:37 PM by Foss l Obeezyfanclub »
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As the votes are right now, does this mean that we can't post gifs in reply to a post else now or does that not count under memes / shitposting?

If you just post a funny picture without any additional information or argument regarding the topic of conversation, then that would be memes / shitposting and be removed from everywhere except the off-topic forum.

You could still do whatever you want in the off-topic forum.

Basically what we already have right now.


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As the votes are right now, does this mean that we can't post gifs in reply to a post else now or does that not count under memes / shitposting?

If you just post a funny picture without any additional information or argument regarding the topic of conversation, then that would be memes / shitposting and be removed from everywhere except the off-topic forum.

You could still do whatever you want in the off-topic forum.

Basically what we already have right now.

Okay thanks.


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We shouldnt split a small community into two sites (jumpacademy.tf and jump.tf)

While efforts are being made (read: features yet to be released) on the JA front to attract competitive jumpers, jump.tf itself is more of the community hub rather than a branch for jumping.  For one, it is not a server chain, nor does it have to deal with the logistics of setting up and keeping game servers funded.  JA has a donor benefits scheme, and that is something that should not be brought into jump.tf.


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I may be wrong on this, but I don't really see any Global Moderators around the forums that much.

We don't have many at the moment because we haven't really needed many with our current policy.  If you don't see them on a lot, it also doesn't necessarily mean that they don't check the forums regularly, just that they don't log on.  Before we made off-topic board visible only to registered users I rarely bothered to log in myself unless I was posting something, but still checked them frequently.

I think we already have a couple people in mind who are next up if we need to add more mods, but we can certainly consider other options in the future if we get an influx of new posters at some point.