Help me test a ctap timer (Was: "What is the EXACT timing for a ctap?")

[Kered13]

EDIT: Go to this post for the latest update with the proof-of-concept timer.

I have an idea to create a ctap training HUD timer. I know how to create a timer that can be started with a button (from this Reddit thread, which created a HUD timer to time 60 seconds for tracking uber). If this button is also mapped to crouch, then the timer could be used to show when to release crouch for an optimal ctap. But I don't know the exact timing (I'm only okay-ish at ctaps), so I need your help.

What is the exact optimal timing between pressing crouch and releasing?

What is the exact optimal timing between releasing crouch and jumping? (I think it's 0 but I'm checking)

[fishy]

What is the exact optimal timing between pressing crouch and releasing?

What is the exact optimal timing between releasing crouch and jumping? (I think it's 0 but I'm checking)

1. would be easier to time for yourself using a jumpbot recording and host timescale editing

2. it is not 0, there is a slight space between releasing crouch and jumpshooting

the timings are all less than one second, so giving you the exact timings is kind of difficult, like i said try timing a jumpbot recording or something

if you need a jumpbot recording, i can make one on jump_measure for this purpose

[Kered13]

if you need a jumpbot recording, i can make one on jump_measure for this purpose

That'd be great, but I don't know how to use jumpbot locally. Might a locally recorded demo work as well? Whatever will work, as long as it's a (nearly) perfect ctap so I can get accurate numbers.

[AI]

Jumpbot's a server-side plugin and is not yet made public.

Fishy probably meant nolem's TAS.

[protist ?]

A HUD timer is definitely a great idea!

I think all you'd need is a POV demo of a 691 unit ctap. Is there any way to show keystrokes in a demo after it has been recorded? If so you can just slow the demo way down and record the amount of ticks between crouch and jump+fire and convert that to seconds.

[Exile]

there were some scripts on tf2jump somewhere, but i dont think youd be able to make a hud timer to help learn ctap

edit: the one i was looking for was removed, but yea

[fishy]

Is there any way to show keystrokes in a demo after it has been recorded?

this is why i recommended a jumpbot recording, as it does show keystrokes

[Kered13]

there were some scripts on tf2jump somewhere, but i dont think youd be able to make a hud timer to help learn ctap

I already know how to make the timer. It would essentially be a bar that fills up over time. It hooks into the MenuOpen and MenuClose events to work. This idea was inspired by some timers I've seen in Reflex for double jumps. I could make one that's approximate as a proof of concept, but to be useful it really needs to be accurate.

[Vexon]

Timer would have to be really quick and super super precise

[Peace]

there are scripts that work without a wait command, to give you perfect ctaps

[Kered13]

there are scripts that work without a wait command, to give you perfect ctaps

No script can do that with a single button press, if that's what you mean. But I'm not trying to make a ctap script, I'm trying to make a tool that would help people learn how to do ctaps normally.

[Peace]

there are scripts that work without a wait command, to give you perfect ctaps

No script can do that with a single button press, if that's what you mean. But I'm not trying to make a ctap script, I'm trying to make a tool that would help people learn how to do ctaps normally.

you just rocket jump normally and it does a perfect ctap

[Vexon]

Yeah those scripts are for lamos tho. Real men do it without any help 

[Kered13]

I was investigating if I could use a demo by using the commands linked at the top of this thread to display commands (like +jump and +duck) on the console, but it appears to drop a lot of commands randomly. So that might work, but it would take a bit of luck or just retrying until it picks up all the important commands. Another thought I had is if there is a program that records keypresses with timestamps in the background, someone could use that. I don't know if anything like that exists.

As an aside this seems like quite a lot of work for something so basic. Do we, as a community, really not know thing? We know the exact height of a perfect ctap, but not the timing?

[Exile]

It's not that I dont know, i just know some people wouldnt be above using macros if a timing was easily available. You could probably find it by doing some looking around, but then again the time spent doing all that shit you would have learned to ctap by now