this entire thread is retarded just add pitchdown to the "not allowed" list and fucking leave it at that
if you do a "technique" by hand (showpos is a nonfactor as it only DISPLAYS your position, hence the fucking name), there's no problem
if you use a command that alters your position FOR you, there's a problem
this is basic fucking arithmetic, nothing about this is complicated at all, if you honestly argue this you're just as fucking stupid as the thread itself i can't believe we're on page 5