Hello!
Someone brought this thread to my attention
Felt the need to come and explain a bit more. If you watched the entire exchange and read what I was typing in chat, you may have already taken this from watching.
I understand what the issue is, a great deal actually. I spoke with truktruk following this whole exchange, and I know you like him. People come on servers, new idiots, and they RTV to dumb fuckin maps and don't know what they're doing and don't know the maps. You've been on a jump for a long time, and they come and fuck up your run to RTV to some idiot map that they can't even do, then they leave and it's all for nothing. I can understand that, and it sucks.
This situation was a little different from that. My problem was mostly with how idiotically this person was arguing, tbh, and I'd be happy to hear from him in person but I know that won't happen. He was not using those points at all. His points were more like "I'm a jumper, this is what I do" and he was sort of espousing this whole idea of "I'm a high ranked guy so just listen to me kid" or that he was working hard and others weren't.
I had issues with his arguments. If he had just explained right away "Listen this happens all the time, people come and RTV shit and don't know what they're doing, I'm not saying you're an idiot" then it might have been a little different. "That's just how it is", "I'm working hard and you're not", "I'm a jumper" and reasons like this are just childish and show he wasn't interested in an actual discussion. That's the whole reason the arguing went on as long as it did. RTV etiquette is fine and I respect that, but.. he had no answers to my theoretical situations of.. what if you stayed on the server for 3 hours and wanted to extend that long? Is that cool? 5 hours?
I should end the post because I know it's probably useless posting this at all. If any of you would like to discuss it further with me, though, reach out to me on Steam and we can do it. If you feel you know me as a person after watching one clip of my stream, that's fine. I just got back from Europe and maybe I met someone that you know - maybe you can check with them to get a report of whether I'm entitled or elitist in real life, or if I'm a genuine nice dude who got frustrated with this one guy. http://steamcommunity.com/id/getawhale/
<3
(And no, I'm not a fantastic jumper and don't claim to be)
Well hello,
It seems as though you're claiming that your issue was with how I was speaking and not the actual problem at hand. Allow me to clarify on some of the things I was saying.
First off I explained right off the bat why I wanted to extend and that I was on the last jump off the map, assuming that you understood jumping etiquette. When I found out that you did not, I went on to try and explain why it is that we let other jumpers finish when they're really close to beating a map. Maybe I didn't do an excellent job explaining it but I did my best to show it in a logical, straight forward way.
It soon became apparent that you were not going to understand why beating a map would be important to me or anyone else. So I then showed my rank and said "I'm a jumper" "This is what I do". This was not meant to be a taunt or to diminish you or anyone else. I was just trying to show that I put a lot of time into jumping and it's something that matters to me. I was also not trying to say that you were some how lesser for not jumping as much as I do. Maybe I was jumping to conclusions by saying that jumping doesn't matter for you as much as it does for me, sorry if that's the case.
When I said I was "working hard", I never said at any point that you were not working hard. You just made that false assumption. I understand that all jumpers are at different places in their jumping and some people have to try hard on the first jump, that's totally okay. Not really sure why you went on to mock me for saying I was working hard, seems like a pretty reasonable thing to say.
At one point I asked "why not just leave the server and go to another map?" You then flipped the question back on me. I think it should be pretty obvious that if you join a server and there's already someone on it on last that they get the right of way in who leaves the server. What I mean is, I'm on last, almost finished with the map, and if I leave then all the progress I've had on the map is gone and I have to rerun all the jumps again, something that takes a lot of time and I would really rather not do. You just joined the server, if you leave to go to another jump server, you don't lose anything really, and you get to go do a map you'd rather be on while I finish.
As far as the slippery slope argument goes, there's no clear cut rules on when it's okay to move on from map, but it's generally accepted that if someones in the last few jumps of a map and is still making an effort, you let them finish. If you can't accept waiting some time for someone else to finish a map, then reread the paragraph above this one. I'm not here to tell you how to live your life, but god help you if you don't have at least a little bit of patience elsewhere in life.
After a while I figured that this was more an issue of not wanting to bore your stream viewers than anything else. I guess I can understand that since streaming is something you like to do and the viewers are what make it possible. But in this case, you were doing that at the cost of another person. Even though you kept calling me selfish and childish, it seems as though you were the one more fitting of these words.
Also, the rtv system works by seeing what the majority of people want. The two times the rtvs extended the map, more than half the server must have voted to extend, and it sure wasn't just you and me on the server. Hell, I bet the half that voted to leave were mostly or all just your stream viewers, basically an extension of you. So which one of us was closer to having alts vote for us??
Thanks,
FLUXplus