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Starkie and Naught Poll

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Add these maps to Tempus?

Yes to Naught
Yes to Starkie
No to both
Yes to both
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Naught
Starkie

Voice your opinion.

I also don't know how possible naught is for demo so keep that in mind.


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Round 2 huh? Alright. Lets think about what is happening here in more general terms.

We have some maps that are harder/less fun than normal. They are made well enough to meet standards and are made by jumpers who, at least in naught's case, was willing and wanted to play through their own map. So why do some people not want maps like this added to tempus, i.e. a set of servers connected with a speedrun plugin that records world records, run times, and completions?

How I see it is that there are two kinds. The first is one who realizes that the map will be played, at least for a short while after it is released, on a lot of the servers and does not want to have a server taken up with the map when it can be used with a more fun and noob-friendly map. The other is one who is afraid of the map being added because they like tempus points/completion, they don't want to play the map but they know that not doing so will just give other jumpers who will play the map more points.

In the end there are two culprits: the amount of servers and points. Having an infinite amount of servers will mean that no one cares what map is being played on what server (ideally). I think that with the increased amount of servers as of pretty recently, we can add these maps and people will still be able to find a server with maps they like. But the issue with points is much harder to fix, it has become ingrained in the community and cannot be removed, heck I don't even want it to. But I strongly think points should not get in the way of jumps and maps outside of our comfort zone, and certainly not in the way of adding standard-meeting maps by our own community members.

I'm just a guy with an opinion, I could be wrong and talking about stuff I don't understand, but that's what we all are.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 04:53:05 AM by MrHappyCamper »


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naught only has 2 hard jumps and everything else is filler thats just stupidly boring, there is no real skill curve either and its t0 for demo

starkie is ok


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add starkie so i can showoff to everyone my completion - floaty(chicken noodle)


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ok ive played the new version and its not as bad without the faces, should be added imo

no idea about naught


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ok ive played the new version and its not as bad without the faces, should be added imo

no idea about naught

This made me realize that this poll is confusing. Does voting yes to starkie mean that they inherently vote no to naught? Or just that they don't care to make an opinion on it? Each map should have had their own thread.


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ok ive played the new version and its not as bad without the faces, should be added imo

no idea about naught

This made me realize that this poll is confusing. Does voting yes to starkie mean that they inherently vote no to naught? Or just that they don't care to make an opinion on it? Each map should have had their own thread.

Yes to 1, no to 1, yes to both, no to both, what else do you want lol


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ok ive played the new version and its not as bad without the faces, should be added imo

no idea about naught

This made me realize that this poll is confusing. Does voting yes to starkie mean that they inherently vote no to naught? Or just that they don't care to make an opinion on it? Each map should have had their own thread.

Yes to 1, no to 1, yes to both, no to both, what else do you want lol

It is the "no to 1" that does not exist on its own,  it is hidden inside the "yes to 1". Where is the option if you know you like starkie but have never seen naught? Or if you know you like starkie and know you don't like naught?
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 02:12:41 PM by MrHappyCamper »


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There are glaring issues with both maps. Having standards encourages mappers to produce better content, which I'm sure you'll agree is good.

I don't think the voting is confusing, the only issue with having a shared thread is people voting for both without having played both maps, though I imagine this would happen regardless.


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There are glaring issues with both maps. Having standards encourages mappers to produce better content, which I'm sure you'll agree is good.

I don't think the voting is confusing, the only issue with having a shared thread is people voting for both without having played both maps, though I imagine this would happen regardless.

I'm only speaking on behalf of naught at this point, and I will only say that I disagree that naught does not meet standards, or even is a below-average map.

So how do you plan to tally the votes then? Will every vote saying yes to starkie be counted as a vote against naught?


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if we're adding high quality maps like these can you add jump_unclesam while you're at it ty


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The glaring issues being that no one who can actually complete the map wants to and
naught only has 2 hard jumps and everything else is filler thats just stupidly boring, there is no real skill curve either and its t0 for demo

This isn't a flexible expectation.

Starkie will need fixing too, mainly on last.

The votes are there to gauge interest for each map individually and the thread encourages people to provide feedback knowing that the map has the potential to be added. I don't care in specific about the results, it just provides a medium for useful metric collection that isn't confined to the people messaging me on steam/discord.


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I would add the maps if there is an audience for them, and if they're quality enough to be enjoyable for the players who can actually run the map. Otherwise, the map is just going to be severely underplayed, only ran by a few people for completions. Personally, I think high difficulty maps should be judged to a greater standard, since it's pretty easy to make unreasonably challenging maps and most decent jumpers won't be able to play even the first few level.