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MrHappyCamper

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Jump_prostate (https://jump.tf/forum/index.php/topic,2654) was updated with a new version on tempus today that has caused some discussion and argument. Myself and a lot of other jumpers (as I believe) would like to know why the bonuses were prevented from being playable as soldier even though b1, b3, and b4 would have been possible and the latter 2 would have been sub-T6; and we would like to know if maps that aren't possible as soldier are being seen as acceptable now.

For those who don't know, a tele that only teleports soldier was added to the entirety of these bonuses so it could not have even been tried as soldier. It has been my understanding before that tempus prefers having some sort of route for off-class rather than nothing; and since jump_prostate and all of its bonuses are t0 for soldier, there is nothing for soldier to do when it is nominated. Are there any plans to make the map playable similar to how many maps are adjusted with removed teles and catapults? Is there a reason for preventing soldier from playing the bonuses? Did the mappers decide this? I would appreciate clear responses, thank you.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 11:29:33 PM by MrHappyCamper »


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Off-class bonus points are the gayest they are off-class and bonus points at the same time just disgusting



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We have so few t0 maps because up until recently there was effort being put in to make t0 maps possible for soldier, and I don't get why there has been suck a dramatic shift recently, all of a sudden you go from making t0 maps possible to intentionally making jumps that are possible t0? Why? Because certain people don't want to play them? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I strongly dislike where tempus is going. It seems like jumpers would rather bitch and whine like children to get maps that are "unfun" made impossible, and to Nerf whatever they don't like. Wallpogo? Nerf it cause I'm to bad or lazy to do it! Demo maps? Make then t0 cause I'm too bad and lazy to beat them! It's pathetic.


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further proving that points are a mental illness


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Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is encouraging maps to be possible as soldier, admins and mappers have already worked hard to reduce the number of t0 soldier jumps, and there are very few maps left. So why do some of you defend prostate when jumps were specifically made impossible for soldier seemly either to piss some people off or to help people who would benefit from a jump that they don't want to do being removed. You might argue that the mappers did it so its completely justified, but this is an action that is made against people jumping so why should we support mappers doing this? As I see it right now those teleports for soldier are simply an excuse to make those bonuses give no points; it is the same effect as leaving the jumps unaffected but have them give no points, only now we can't try the jumps. I would like evidence of a different, less malicious reason for this but I have none as many people involved are not making any comments.

(Valix has replied as I was making this so I'm repeating some of his points)

further proving that points are a mental illness

I'm not sure what side you are on with this comment, but to clarify some things I would like to play the bonus, but it seems I'm prevented from that because some people don't want to work to get those points. I would like to hear what you think of this since you put the collab together.

And I would encourage an admin to make a statement on this, I do not want to point fingers or blame anyone without proper information. I believe this discussion is fundamental to how we think of these jumping servers, either as a sort of competitive scene where maps are moderated or as a place to host maps and record runs.

Also for anyone who cares, I tried playing through the map as soldier and found that only jumps 12 15 and 19 are impossible/unrealistic as soldier. For anyone questioning jump 18 there are wacky strats that are all reasonable, I can show you if you ask.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2018, 06:44:12 PM by MrHappyCamper »


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While I personally dislike wallpogo (and think the amount of points you can get for it is pretty stupid) I don't really get why a map was intentionally made impossible, or even just random bonuses - I don't see how it hurts anyone to have a map/bonus possible to complete, even if it'd be garbage (besides I suppose points, but hopefully the entire points for unintended things will be addressed in the points change).
« Last Edit: July 28, 2018, 06:46:54 PM by kaptain »


MrHappyCamper

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further proving that points are a mental illness

Something that I see going on a lot is that people are pointing at each other saying "you just want points"; people will say you want to do these bonuses just for points, people will say you want these bonuses removed just so you don't have to worry about their points. I urge you to think of a good reason for making the bonus intentionally impossible that does not involve points. I can think of a good reason to leave the bonuses untouched: you can try it as soldier if you want. When you start restricting freedom is when you go down a bad path.


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I don't really get why a map was intentionally made impossible, or even just random bonuses - I don't see how it hurts anyone to have a map/bonus possible to complete, even if it'd be garbage
+1


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Pretty much like Valix, I'm confused on the attitude shift. For a while it was "hey let's turn t0 maps into possible stuff", which I'm fine with. I'm perplexed on why new maps are now kept impossible on purpose while it would be pretty easy to just ask the mapper to tweak a thing or two for the unintended class before it hits tempus, it's just not coherent with what was being done just a few months ago.


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Wallpogo is the same no matter which map you do it on, i don't see the problem. Also this might force people to play demo who wouldn't play it otherwise. I support this.


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Wallpogo is the same no matter which map you do it on, i don't see the problem.

this doesnt even make sense??? what kind of half-assed argument is that???

sYnCiNg iS tHe sAMe NO mATTeR wAHt maP ToO!!

There's plenty of reasons for both sides of the argument but saying wallpogo is the same, when 99% of jumping is basically just repetition, only makes your side look worse.