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I guess your brain really does turn to mush when you obsessively retake everything for 5 years while pretending that it doesn't ruin the game for everyone else.
I disagree. This type of behavior is great content.

That being said, one more reason to dislike boshy is that he denied adding jump_power on tempus because of silly objections such as "it's bad for offclass" (since when has that mattered) and "there's no jumps" (there are) without consulting with the community. Basically making himself the arbiter of what people get to play and as a result restricting the type of maps people will make if they want them to be added.
Stuff like this and Boshy's emotional attachment to tempus points shown in earlier posts should prohibit him from being an admin.


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I admire Boshy as a jumper and a grinder. His skills in the game is truly impressive. However, his skill should not be taken into consideration when judging this situation. As a person and as an admin, it is obvious at this point that he is very self-serving and this should serve as an example of why a top jumper, especially unilaterally, should not be allowed to make admin decisions. This is based on the following examples of conflict of interest or straight up admin abuse:

1. Banning a competitor for taking his WRs. This alone is a mind-blowing example of admin abuse. Everyone has the right to take any WRs, regardless of their skill level, as long as it is done legitimately. The only person that truly deserves a world record is the one that currently holds it. Even if it was luck. Even if a new strat was found. Even if it took months to grind. Even if you don?'t want to grind the map to take the WR back. Stop with the excuses, either beat the WR or hold your mouth.

2. Making certain hard bonuses impossible to complete. This is obviously self-serving as he would need to complete the bonuses too in order to maintain 100% completion on soldier. This is especially true since this was made in reaction to people deciding to complete them. Had it been done ages ago with more community support, this decision would have been far more reasonable than it is. Another aggravating factor is that he is known to be the first one to complete really hard bonuses himself, such as when b5.

3. Randomly fiddling with dz's, as seen earlier in the thread. Why on earth should the dz's be touched after people have already completed runs on them?

4. There is evidence of some of his bonuses being lagged, for example ante b5 (youtu.be/LpIv7SPqBRU?t=307). Yet Boshy still wipes other people's bonuses for being lagged.

Just some examples, there are more. Bases on these actions, it is obvious that Boshy has a conflict of interest as well as a bad sense of objectivity when it comes to admin issues. He should be stripped of his admin and the admin should instead be given to someone that is not a top jumper and has a respectable reputation. While Boshy is clearly a very good player, sadly the same cannot be said for his adminning skills.

Furthermore, the anti-competitive behaviour the Boshy possesses is very worrying. Insulting, threatening and sanctioning players because they take your records is not a good look for a player, let alone an admin.


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Juup,Katto,Onkaja and I have been doing some investigating of our own and we've also found some very exciting evidence of Boshy abusing admin for his own personal gain.

Gaylord B2
we have found that the end dz for gaylord bonus 2 has mysteriously been moved back by about 100 units after maxxy's completion

Videos :


Report:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18bh_CAW89K57T4efc4Lypi2U-fkCXBerl2XG2gMQP1o/edit

Funny chatlogs:
https://pastebin.com/uaWyBM3M
https://pastebin.com/ptCRhNhY



The Mystery of the Missing Demos

there are some bwrs that coincidentally having "missing demos", recently someone has figured out how this is possible. If you get any recorded time and wipe then unwipe you will get this error (https://imgur.com/a/csyBW2p) when you go look for the demo, Boshy has a surprising amount of wrs where the demos just magically aren't available, similarly one of his boyfriends also have a bwr where the demo is missing. Most of these wrs are using some mysterious strat and the other top times are usually quite far behind

bonuses with missing demos :
bouncehop b1
https://imgur.com/a/xdL8Xyg

when b4
https://imgur.com/a/036Ur1b

sick b1(before juup broke wr)
https://imgur.com/a/KCfbMv5

nmotion2 b2 (wr was -0.5 before waldo tried breaking it yesterday)
https://imgur.com/a/fmogxmJ

aando b2(before juup broke wr)
https://imgur.com/a/t7nEAgO


Boshy removed me,juup,katto and onkaja from his friendslist too ofc and he also took the time out of his busy day to ban all of us from his stream




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Why do you feel the need to remove AND EVEN ban me if you're saying I'm not a horrible person?
Also I would happily see any quotes of me talking shit or baseless lies behind your back.


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I don't see how me making edgy jokes quite a long time ago makes me racist, literally most of my irl and steam friends are indian/black, as for me "harassing" robin I literally only made like 2 jokes in a year, none of them were specifically made to harass him I don't understand this mentality of being the victim of constant harassment when I only made those two jokes, I openly invite you to find more evidence of me "harassing" him, I could say the exact same for robin constantly asking me if I'm black back in 2018/2019 but I don't really have the necessary victim complex




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Setting wrs on other classes like heavy/spy was breaking tempus on a technical level, for example /p menu would just stop working properly and it just so happened newjuls discovered it on stream so pretty much every jumper knew about it. I disabled all course maps with the exception of vertuosic for obvious reasons, but ONE map had to stay active as to not break /p menu further as it didnt function properly if there are 0 courses, I chose vertuosic as it was the hardest to cheat (hard to do as demo and its ddr gimmick as soldier) but that didnt stop TWO people from doing it later anyway. Out of 9 people who were fast enough to perform the glitch, 7 of them were from NA, 2 of the non NA people being newjuls himself and 879m (mod btw).


You're completely missing the point here. Zike brought this up to point out how this started the myth that Americans hate you or something. You used the fact that most Americans were awake at the time of the glitch being found, and thus were the ones to abuse it (for funny reasons), to paint a picture of NA being some bad bad terrible region. Nobody is arguing that the bans weren't warranted.

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The reason this was so bad from mazlli's side is because he pretty much blackmailed me into waiting until the video is uploaded, he wouldn't tell how the dev route works or fix it until the video was up which is understandably frustrating.


I don't know if this is a language barrier thing, but I wouldn't call that blackmail. In my opinion, the month ban was a bit harsh for something as simple and as harmless as the dev route, and I think most people feel that while a punishment was warranted, one month was too much.

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FIrst of all I'd like to adress the issue of old maps vs new maps, if old maps had some exploit that stayed it doesnt mean its a good example to keep other exploits in new maps. Headbugs on rnc specifically are very easy to get and don't skip 30 secs on ONE level. Devils trick is annoying, I'd personally remove it but it was far too late for that, however devils trick doesnt force you into resetting your entire run if you miss it, the worst thing that happens is that you lose a few seconds being spooked by the ghost. Again you didn't even show what was in the screenshot I sent:
 

To rephrase what I said there: I don't think a run that forced you to do c2 -> c1 -> c2 makes any sense and what's the point of keeping it for c2 specifically? I fixed it asap so not like I ruined anything that actually required effort at that point. On top of that as I said before it doesnt add anything new to the run, it's the same run with same strats except you have a precise trick to hit which completely ruins your run if you dont resulting in worse quality of runs overall since you get less attempts. You can disagree with this but this is something scotch would've done and hopefully he can confirm that at some point.


Once again you miss the point boshy. Its okay to argue whether or not you think certain skips/strats should be allowed, but its just incredibly obvious that you're biased when it comes to times you have wr on. Such a bias shouldn't allow you to make a impulse decision to instantly patch out and wipe the times with a new strat found. Housebeta cube skip was something that was coveted by anyone who ran that map for a LONG time, waldo found one that honestly wasn't as unreasonable as you make it out to be (certainly more reasonable than 8 jump bugs in a row.....), and since you don't wanna do it, you just wipe and ban the strat (kinda like making those bonuses t0 (after doing when b5)). There should be room for community discussion at LEAST.

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Way less precise and I don't hit it first try in wr and it's also an actual jumping skill rather than just precise timing to hit a trigger.


Edgebug in the middle of a map run is certainly at least ARGUABLY on par with the cube skip. The cube skip is honestly not that bad, both zike and waldo got it working with minimal effort or time spent grinding for it. You can also argue that racing against a clock in order to skip the cube is a lot more interesting than, say, i dont know, hitting 8 jump bugs in a row for a bonus record, or grinding for an essentially rng edgebug in the middle of a map run, but i digress.

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I had no clue about damer b2 until reero mentioned it on stream and I didn't wipe it after as I was gonna see for myself, which I only had time to do a few days later where I wiped it together with meti's drenched time on an alt. Not sure why a tiny delay in wiping times makes a difference when scotch takes way longer to do these things and something like song situation was up in the air forever and in the end it was me who wiped him anyway. As for adding maps I don't think this is something you can blame me for, I pestered tev to finish the map for a long time and he never did before I decided to not bother with tempus anymore. Whenever I add new maps people shit on half of them (despite me trying to add quality maps) and sometimes they even result in issues like on dahlia which doesnt help, but I'm also just simply not FORCED to add maps (scotch didnt do that for a long time), its free work for no reward.


You're once again missing the point. The damer b2 was mentioned ad nauseum in #admin, with skye even pinging you about it, and yet you ignore. Okay, maybe you muted tempus because youre done with admin and youve publicly stated as such. Its still bad and a sign of extreme bias that while not fulfilling some duties as admin (wiping cheaters, adding maps, checking #admin), you instantly gear into action and wipe a time (that can be argued with its legitimacy), that is on a course with a record you hold.

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Another attempt to pretend I didn't say anything, which is simply a lie:
 
exile couldn't get in touch with us when you decided to remove us and message us through her. I am just disappointed you couldn't talk this through with us instead of having to use exile as a liaison.

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In general regarding zike/reero I'd like to say they are extremely fake people, trying to act one way in dms but completely opposite on zike's stream which is the main reason I removed both.


Boshy, I would just like to remind you of all the effort I've went through being a messenger between you and Waldo and trying to get you guys to get along. I would also like to remind you of the literal hours I've spent with you talking about issues you're facing, and that I genuinely was trying to help you out and I was concerned for your health. I implore you to take a second look at zikes stream vod and ask yourself if anything I said on there contradicted anything I have ever said to you in dms, or if I showed any behavior that can be seen as a betrayal or as "fake". The worst I did was have a laugh at how quickly you came in to wipe waldos housebeta time.


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"This is easily debunked by the fact I wasnt admin back then and since I've completely gaylord b2 I've lost soldier records (if you look at my broken) so this just seems like another attempt to frame me."

This might be a bit of a challenging reading comprehension, but we are accusing you of having changed the zone AFTER you completed it so it is irrelevant that you weren't admin back then. In fact what we are saying is how you clearly changed the zone AFTER it had already gotten completions to maintain a good streak of not losing WRs. Or it could've even simply been that you wanted your time to remain the best as you clearly do not have a healthy relationship with world records.

" It's pretty much the case of if you look hard enough into something you might find something that isn't actually there and knowing your circlejerk dislikes me its not surprising."

What do you mean by it not actually being there? If you're trying to tell me that zone was in fact not moved then I don't know what to tell you...


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This is my only legitimate mistake (the vice thing technically didnt break any rules) that I've done over the years, I do admit I'm in the wrong here. However it happened all the way back in 2017 when I wasn't even admin to begin with and it was just personal beef with larry who I also apologized to later. The ban in question was only ~30 mins and larry didnt hold any grudge because of it. Regardless I do admit it was a wrong decision and was impulsive but I've grown as a person since then and if you compare it to some mess ups others made it pales in comparison.

I'm glad you can admit that you were wrong, however this event alone should be reason enough to be extremely suspicious of your adminning and you are incorrect about the facts. Firstly, this happened in August 2018, which is only 2 and a half years ago. Secondly, whether you were technically not admin and just a mod is completely irrelevant as you still had special privileged which you abused.

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This had nothing to do with people trying to do them, I was not aware of it and even if I was the decision would've been the same. The reason I made them t0 was because scotch was gonna do that ages ago anyway so I didnt see the issue with it, people are only upset because of the timing and not the reason itself. It makes t0 bonuses actually t0, they didnt previously have completions so there is no issue with doing that in my eyes (or scotch's eyes as he's done that before to avoid aids garbage on tempus). The t0 bonuses I've done are infinitely more reasonable than these 3 in question, this part is hypocritical I admit, but saying that I did it simply because I didn't wanna grind them is just lying to yourself. I've done so much garbage over the years that doing a bit more wouldn't be an issue or annoyance considering it's also something im good at.

This doesn't make sense on several levels. Firstly, it is strange that this decision was done without any kind of announcement or discussion (that I know of) prior. Secondly, it has been possible to do these bonuses for over half a decade, and it just happens to be that you made this admin decision the very same moment people actually try to break new bonuses? I find this extremely improbable.

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This is just something people try to frame me for, I already posted a vid in earlier response where it shows zones and how I get a time. If I wanted to cheat with zones I'd go to a dev server where there are no demos. The reason I was "fiddling with zones" was because the bonus wasnt starting for me for whatever reason, I added a new zone and instantly removed it to "reload" them (obviously cant see chat) which didnt affect anything. I understand how this might look weird or suspicious but the video I posted should be proof enough since I beat my old time with the same strat.

I don't think you did anything with the dz and the evidence alone isn't conclusive. However it is still weird to mess with the dz's and given that the gaylord b1 end dz has changed, it is even more shady.

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I only wipe bonuses that are reported to me, hunting down lagged bonuses is way too tedious and there are also way too many of them (shoutout to cander's internet). I don't think that one even affects anything (obviously not lagging on purpose) but I can wipe it if people care that much. In general bonuses are usually being ignored as there are way too many issues with them, some of the wrs are literally impossible after timer change and some were impossible for a long time due to not being able to headglitch into zones anymore, yet they stayed for years and are still there.

But it's your own fucking bonus WR, you have the responsibility to make sure it is done legit! If it happened to me, I would instantly report it to an admin. This defense is completely ridiculous as it implies that cheating is fine if you don't get reported. It also looks very deliberate and suspicious that you just so happen to lag the same moment you exit the start dz. I hope there aren't any more examples of you lagging bonuses, because if there is definitely foul play involved. But go ahead and wipe the bonus since you've been stepping up the adminning recently.

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First part is addressed in my big rant above, there are many ways you can go about this situation in general as: a) nothing is gonna happen for a long time as jayess and scotch are way out of it and arent active; b) a lot of the stuff people claim I've done is simple not true and I can be petty and bring up reasons for 90% of mods to not have their mods anymore if we are going down that path which just leads to tempus haivng no moderation (for some reason people only bring up bad/questionable things and don't mention all the good i've done as an admin); c) I'm already not doing anything admin related (other than fixing urgent stuff), I don't care whether I have it or not, but as I said before scotch is the only person who can realistically do anything about this and I really doubt you'd wanna end up in a situation where tempus breaks and there is literally no one to do anything about it. d) There are just no good candidates for admin, larry and kidder quit for the same reason I wanna quit (tempus community is hot garbage), kaptain doesnt want to be one and with all due respect to exile I'm pretty sure zike would bait her into adding meme maps or doing something weird with the zones. I can only really think of tev but I dont think a lot of people know tev as he is fairly new, but that would be my choice at the very least.On top of this simply transferring admin powers or making more people admin doesnt solve anything as they still need to be taught how to use admin tools as they arent self explanatory, that process takes a while and unless scotch is willing to sit down with them for days like he did with me it won't solve anything.

For the second part all that I've done was in 2017-2018 when I wasnt admin, however everything that I said didnt break any rules and was just me being a toxic idiot, as I said I've grown as a person since then a lot.

In general I find it really weird when people theorize who I am and what my personality is behind my back when all you have to do is just go to my twitch and see what person I am in reality. Just because zike's circlejerk tries to frame me for being a horrible person doesnt mean that I am and people should think for themselves.

This assessment is based on my own perception of your actions and it is clearly shown over and over again that you have no problem backtalking people, yet you complain when it is done to you. You may or may not have grown since 2017, but it sure is not showing. As I see it, this "growing as a person" is just a tactic you use to defend yourself against the accusations presented in the thread.


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1. Banning a competitor for taking his WRs. This alone is a mind-blowing example of admin abuse. Everyone has the right to take any WRs, regardless of their skill level, as long as it is done legitimately. The only person that truly deserves a world record is the one that currently holds it. Even if it was luck. Even if a new strat was found. Even if it took months to grind. Even if you don?'t want to grind the map to take the WR back. Stop with the excuses, either beat the WR or hold your mouth.

This is my only legitimate mistake (the vice thing technically didnt break any rules) that I've done over the years, I do admit I'm in the wrong here. However it happened all the way back in 2017 when I wasn't even admin to begin with and it was just personal beef with larry who I also apologized to later. The ban in question was only ~30 mins and larry didnt hold any grudge because of it. Regardless I do admit it was a wrong decision and was impulsive but I've grown as a person since then and if you compare it to some mess ups others made it pales in comparison.
it was pretty funny tho


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I could correct myself and say that it's not NA as a whole, but a circlejerk that consists only of NA players, it doesnt matter where people are from if they still break the rules or act in awful ways.


If you could, please list the names of members of this "NA Circlejerk". There have been plenty of  criticisms not from NA brought up in this thread. Either way, it speaks to a inherent bias you hold towards NA reflected by not only your words but your actions.

https://i.imgur.com/HCj1CCS.png
https://i.imgur.com/QMngUM9.png
These two speak towards your bias to NA. Even if you say you were exaggerating or joking in these posts, they are not something that should come from an admin, period.
https://i.imgur.com/9TQJjR6.png
Context for this one was an argument that people don't deserve mod, and you kept saying that most people from NA shouldn't have mod. Once again, bias.

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Whether mazlli's ban was too long or not it has been done, in my eyes anything that is malicious always adds severity to the punishment.

I think its unfair to say maz was being "malicious" when he literally did not want to even hide the time, but wanted it to be shown on tempus records as a joke, open and knowing that it will get wiped. He had no intention of causing Tempus or its admins stress, and honestly what he did should not have caused any stress, it was fixed in seconds.

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When b5 is a BONUS, you cant really compare the two and I'm not sure how you would bring it up as obviously scotch is dead, but if he was alive and said "no box skip" then no one would've said a word and that frustrates me. You could argue this but all zike's previous attempts to get funny things in failed when he contacted scotch, which I'm really hoping he would respond to all of this sometime soon.
You are the only active admin. I think that this particular exploit, like you said, can be argued, because housebeta cube is not an interesting jump by itself and people have been searching for SO LONG to find a way to skip it (not just zike, pissy and others too). You should not have instantly wiped the times, you should have instead consulted with the community about it, or at least waited for scotch to be alive to have another admin's input.

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Edgebug in the map run adds something to the run, its not just a simple "jump in and save time", it requires a completely new technique to be used in a smart way (also still not as precise), the box skip is just dumb because as I said before it would just lower the quality of the run. And again do you really think it would be an issue for me to grind that wr back if the green box skip existed? I merely fixed it because it makes way more sense to be this way, just because zike wants to have a haha -30 time doesnt mean you should support that.
I disagree with your point on edgebugs being unique and smart. The engineering of the cube skip and how it actually plays out in runs is, at least in my and several others opinions, way more interesting than a simple edgebug. I think that anything you can do to maximize the amount of time you spend optimizing the map, going through the connectors and jumps as quickly as possible, instead of just standing still for 30 seconds makes the wr a better one. I genuinely think the cube skip should be allowed, I am capable of thinking for myself, I didn't get that opinion from zike or waldo. I think that the fact that you can't be fucked to do t0 bonuses, so you make them impossible, coupled with your more recent attitude of apathy and disdain towards tf2 jump is enough to convince me that your bias was a factor in your decision to wipe and ban the cube skip.

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And lastly about dms, I had a feeling you were understanding but you constantly jump between support and flame when you are around others, I don't see why you would post things in tempus discord or make videos, if you had any respect for me or actually cared you wouldve not done either.

If that youtube video really upset you, I would like to let you know that I make similar videos for a lot of my friends, I have even edited videos for you in the past that painted you in a positive light (sitood wr, gully rollout (one of my most viewed vids)). I had an idea for an epic shitpost in my head that would make for a funny video so I went through and made one, I really don't think anything in the video is too awful, yeah its making fun of you but I make fun of zike waldo newjuls etc all the same.
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The fact it was beatable is not any reason to dismiss you editing the zone. They. Simply. Don't. Change. On. Their. Own.

And even more importantly, it would still be your record, had it not infuriated me how you as a representative of the Tempus administration are allowed to edit zones as you wish and hold the WRs from an unfair advantageous position just for your own personal gain. Further supported by ondkaja's earlier responses it is clearly the matter of fact that you do not care about having an unfair advantage over others because your ego tells you that you deserve them regardless.


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I won't take sides with this whole admin abuse thing.

What I do want to address is the intention of the Post. First of, it is obviously completely valid to criticize any and all decisions any admin/ member of staff makes and to demand an explanation for them. It is also completely valid to demand someone to step down if you think that they aren't suited for the position that they are in.
However what I don't think is justified or helpful when adressing this criticism is insulting someones character and specifically targeting them on a personal level. Which clearly happened here
and which also was clearly one of the main intents of this Post. And when you have responses to this thread like "Nobody likes boshy except his closest friends and his stream subscribers", it brings up the question whether people really care about the supposed topic of the thread which is Boshy abusing powers, or if they simply just dislike Boshy.
If you have criticism adress it, if you have a problem with boshy as a person say it, but don't mix the two together. And this is where my main issue is with Zikes post. It will bring up criticism and then follow it up with a personal attack, or like for example in the case of the twitch bans, with a completely irrelevant side note.
Because of this, the obviously intentional offensive wording of the post, and this post being public which there was really no need for if the sole intention was to criticize Boshys admin capabilites, it makes it seem to me as if criticism was never the point at all. But to rather insult Boshy in a very misleading and indirect way.

I'd like to reiterate once again that I'm not against Zike adressing issues with admin abuse, but the way he went about doing that.
To end my point I'll post a quote from Zike himself which really boils my whole argument down to one sentence
"it's incredible how close you came to a genuine criticism which is boshy not uploading his own bonus wrs but everyone else's, but missed the mark"


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"It will bring up criticism and then follow it up with a personal attack, or like for example in the case of the twitch bans, with a completely irrelevant side note.
Because of this, the obviously intentional offensive wording of the post, and this post being public which there was really no need for if the sole intention was to criticize Boshys admin capabilites, it makes it seem to me as if criticism was never the point at all. But to rather insult Boshy in a very misleading and indirect way."

Just like you, I shall not take any stance on other contents of your reply however I feel like you're either intentionally, or unintentionally, making the author look bad on purpose. Your only example was in fact not an irrelevant side note as you said. It really is not a good sign if the de facto dictator of Tempus suppresses voices of people who have not done anything wrong especially on the channel of communication that the ban is applied on.