A Green Box and How Tempus Points Rot the Brain

[Beagle]

 

[reero]

I wanna also point out how boshy simultaneously blocks off every form of communication with waldo, mutes in game, banned on twitch, removed on steam, doesn't read tempus discord, and yet also complains that waldo didn't contact him asking him if it was okay to do the cube skip. You can't have it both ways. You said it yourself, the only reason you banned the bhop cheater was because I had to ask you to do it in your stream chat. Another example of negligence as admin. Zike and I are mods, and Waldo is a server owner. You need to hold responsibility as Admin to have some form of communication with mods/server owners, especially considering you're the only active admin.

[Klowwd]

I just skimmed through nearly everything. Oh boy.

I believe the box skip should be kept in as it is the mapper's fault that it wasn't included. To me, its just a more complex version of Dr. Gains forgetting to put in tele triggers on attached levels. Obviously these two examples are different but I think that as long as it is in the map and isn't abusing anything that's not already in the map (macros etc) it should be fair game. The thing that makes this strat acceptable to me is the quality of life fix. This is 30 seconds saved off of the world record for the course.

This is a different situation than the beefmas dz thing. This should be fixed imo because it skips the first course entirely and is not a quality of life fix. I also agree with Boshy's take on beefmas c2 in that the props should be removed. Scotch removed the prop on the bhop jump on jump_it so it is perfectly reasonable.

I have nothing against Boshy but I believe he should have other staff members to help him make decisions. A pool of around 5 active admins seems ok to me so votes can be made on certain arguments (ie the mazli video/ban). It is extremely hard to run a community by ones self. I am an admin of RGL and I would be fucked if I had to make decisions completely by myself. I always ask for other people's feedback when it comes to an issue I'm not entirely sure about

If you want you can elect me as admin so I can have more power help the community. There should be others though.

[Zike]

Man all I wanted was to skip a box in a speedrun.

[ADJ]

 

[Shunix]

Everyone involved here is a moron.

As the smartest and most reasonable member of this community:

using a dev time to cheat a run even as a "joke" deserves punishment; people have had their times wiped for account sharing in the past when it was a "joke"

boshys explaination for why the other unintentional exploits should be banned makes sense to me as they're clearly not intended; if we can prevent something clearly ridiculous from becoming the meta early then i dont see how its a problem.

you state"Do you honestly think for a second Sere or Rob123 would have a strong opinion about something like the green box skip?" and i completely agree... this lead to things like third person for demo becomming an unfixable problem because the previous admins werent quick enough / thoughtful enough to see the negative impact it could have, boshys quick action in my opinion is the way these exploits should be dealt with.

...with  that said, I do agree that boshy in particular seems to have trouble moderating objectively and tends to only think about things in terms of what would be best for him, whever he intends to or not.

It seems pretty clear to me that tempus needs more admins and specifically ones that are alot more mature.

As much as I love exile she seems to be joining in or atleast complacent with these direct attempts to troll/anger boshy which I wouldnt really expect from her but i could be wrong.

If tempus needs to have more admins id say the obvious candidates are people like maxxy / diller / gorge who seem not to be as cliquey as the other active members of this community.

but thats just like, my opinion man

[SlaM JaM]

Seems like the same thing happened in this demo:



It's extraordinarily lucky how you manage to lag only when you leave the start dz, where it would benefit you the most, but you don't lag anywhere else in the demo.

1 in 7.5 trillion

[Beagle]

Everyone involved here is a moron.

As the smartest and most reasonable member of this community:
I'm a monkey and I make monkey sounds.

[Zike]

If tempus needs to have more admins id say the obvious candidates are people like maxxy / diller / gorge who seem not to be as cliquey as the other active members of this community.

Not even campaigning for himself that's the kind of humbleness we want to see out of a new admin.

[Zike]

Dont twist my word saying from now any strat should be discuss before setting a time, the green box skip is a major part of the run wich would very quickly make every tt on the map obsolete. This is clearly something that needed to be discuss before being allowed. If you cant understand that idk what to tell you.
As for him only caring about his time, he owns like 80% of all records, ofc if something is found its most likely gonna be on his wr lol

On a more serious note, that's one of my biggest problems is there wasn't going to be any discussion Boshy had 0 intention of actually asking community members or runners such as one of the wr holders on the map. This is proved by this clip of his stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/906474683?t=0h7m9s

Specifically at timestamp 08:54 he says:
"...but yeah I don't know people can BabyRage as much as they want about it. I don't really care. It's something Scotch would've done instantly."

Boy that sure sounds like someone who's interested in gathering community feedback about a large new skip and not someone exercising autocratic rule.

The rest of what he says here has been already covered in this thread and I do not feel a need to reiterate my points as it is up to Scotch/Jayess to interpret events and proceed from there.

[Waldo]

Assorted FunFacts:

After the ~5 hours worth of reero playing telephone between me and Boshy (since Boshy wouldn't directly communicate at all), he finally accepted my steam friend request. Pretty much every "conversation" we had started like this.

I found the beefmas c1 dz issue during this golden age of communication; 5 minutes after i broke the course on 300 ping, Boshy pm'd me and I told him exactly what was wrong and how it should be fixed since it was actually a problem.

Usually, when people ask me about weird strats I love to explain them since that's the best part of jumping to me; if I can't do a strat I'll find someone better and ask them to try it (see phancy on wallfox b2 or song on butter b1). Boshy demanding a wikihow page on benroads2 b1 5 minutes after I break it and then resetting server to watch demo if I won't tell him is extremely childish -- here's the last bit of that chatlog.

I don't see how idle banter is being "malicious" and I'm "targeting" Boshy. When he was practicing/running when c10, I spent hours speccing and offering suggestions/strats, a lot of which he used, and also a decent amount of time helping when he zoned new maps since there was a large batch to tier and hunt down authors for. I even held his hand through retaking soar t1 from me.

I flamed wild a lot since it's in good fun -- that doesn't change the fact that I spent >20h testing maps for him.

Worth noting, the first time I broke the spaghetti bonus was with the same, very ordinary speedshot strat that every time used. Boshy was the first one to noclip outside of the playable zone (completely inaccessible without the tempus plugin) and telehop it from there. When I saw that he took 400ms off a 1 second bonus, I was curious and joined him to ask what he did. Seem familiar?

Since Boshy refused to admit that he deliberately lagged bonuses until our good friend Ondkaja made videos which make that painfully clear, I think it's safe to say that there are more lagged/cheated Boshy records out there, many of which won't have available demos. With song's ban + wipe as precedent, I think Boshy should be banned until he delivers a full list of every time he cheated, and wiped if he doesn't. Only fair, right?

[cowboyana]

hmm...tempus seems pretty bad now. luckily there's a good project on the up and coming to reignite the flames of Jump. i am of course talking about the efforts to fund w33dskiLL's ChiLL0uT-Z0nE. http://backup.jump.tf/forums/forums.tf2jump.com/index.php/topic%2c2310.0.html

[wild]

your

[Hass]

Juup is bad

[Gorge004]

Dont twist my word saying from now any strat should be discuss before setting a time, the green box skip is a major part of the run wich would very quickly make every tt on the map obsolete. This is clearly something that needed to be discuss before being allowed. If you cant understand that idk what to tell you.
As for him only caring about his time, he owns like 80% of all records, ofc if something is found its most likely gonna be on his wr lol

On a more serious note, that's one of my biggest problems is there wasn't going to be any discussion Boshy had 0 intention of actually asking community members or runners such as one of the wr holders on the map. This is proved by this clip of his stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/906474683?t=0h7m9s

Specifically at timestamp 08:54 he says:
"...but yeah I don't know people can BabyRage as much as they want about it. I don't really care. It's something Scotch would've done instantly."

Boy that sure sounds like someone who's interested in gathering community feedback about a large new skip and not someone exercising autocratic rule.

The rest of what he says here has been already covered in this thread and I do not feel a need to reiterate my points as it is up to Scotch/Jayess to interpret events and proceed from there.

I heard a game dev once say something along the line of if you listen to everything your community asks, your game will quickly become horrible because the community doesn't know what they want.

It's a stretch qualifying Boshy as a game dev in his position, but hes the one making some sort of integrity changes to tempus currently, the statement still stands true imo. If we were to allow what everyone wants, stuff like dev route could become more and more common because "hey nothing is done about it, people think its fun, I should put something like that in my map"

When I was saying it should be discussed, I wasn't necessarly saying an open poll to everyone. Some decision are better done behind closed doors. Problem here boshy is the only active admin and the vocal part of the community mostly just memes about everything.