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Seems like with Scotch offline for the last 40 days on Steam, this might just be a situation where literally nothing can be done because nobody actually has the power to do anything.
Just an FYI Scotch is still reachable through discord pms but he's pretty busy or something right now, but he will respond. He also said he planned to judge jam maps too so he should be around at some point.
Ahh that's good.


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i made an account during my work shift to call u a fucking loser boshy lol grow up


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ok i changed my mind you guys are right boshy should be wiped and banned cause this is just straight up cheating...
ive been saying this for years but times that are not cheated should NOT be wiped, whether a wipe is requested by the runner or if the runner has been found guilty of cheating other runs. if boshy has cheated (haven't looked at the evidence myself), a ban is in order, but legitimate runs should stay.

+1 for gorge admin


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ok i changed my mind you guys are right boshy should be wiped and banned cause this is just straight up cheating...
ive been saying this for years but times that are not cheated should NOT be wiped, whether a wipe is requested by the runner or if the runner has been found guilty of cheating other runs. if boshy has cheated (haven't looked at the evidence myself), a ban is in order, but legitimate runs should stay.

+1 for gorge admin
I do not think that boshy needs to be treated in a special way than song,  just because it's boshy, papa of tempus. (Assuming he actually abused his admin to get zones advantages). Yes, song maybe cheated a lot of his runs, but definitely not all of them, but rules are the same for everybody, isn't it?


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I do not think that boshy needs to be treated in a special way than song,  just because it's boshy, papa of tempus. (Assuming he actually abused his admin to get zones advantages). Yes, song maybe cheated a lot of his runs, but definitely not all of them, but rules are the same for everybody, isn't it?

Song denied cheating accusations the entire time up until he was wiped and banned though. IF Boshy is found to have cheated times (I really hope this isn't the case) and Boshy owns up to it and comes clean with ALL cheated times, then the remaining legitimate times should 100% remain.

The only reason there is no precedent of this is, as far as I know at least, is because no cheater that was banned and wiped actually owned up to it until after their ban.


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I don't care if the person caught cheating owns up to it or not. Legitimate times should not be wiped for any reason (that includes song, jondy, boshy, etc...)


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I do not think that boshy needs to be treated in a special way than song,  just because it's boshy, papa of tempus. (Assuming he actually abused his admin to get zones advantages). Yes, song maybe cheated a lot of his runs, but definitely not all of them, but rules are the same for everybody, isn't it?

Song denied cheating accusations the entire time up until he was wiped and banned though. IF Boshy is found to have cheated times (I really hope this isn't the case) and Boshy owns up to it and comes clean with ALL cheated times, then the remaining legitimate times should 100% remain.

The only reason there is no precedent of this is, as far as I know at least, is because no cheater that was banned and wiped actually owned up to it until after their ban.

Well, the videos that have been posted here so far, namely this and this, are quite blatant... Claiming that this is just lag is some straight up Dream type shit. Who knows what's in those other demos that have mysteriously disappeared.

I agree that non-cheated times should stay.


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I don't care if the person caught cheating owns up to it or not. Legitimate times should not be wiped for any reason (that includes song, jondy, boshy, etc...)

the problem is that if someone isnt being honest about the times that are cheated then you have no way to know  which runs are cheated or not, if someone is being dishonest about it you have to assume that all of the runs could be cheated


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How do you know what runs are cheated and which aren't? Does someone want to go thru and verify every wr boshy has? do you just delete the bonus wr's? do you just keep the good ones that are super non sus? what if he did some other form of cheating, like change dz's in a non saved demo? Do you assume some runs are just ok? Even if it wasnt 406 soldier map world records, 260 course soldier wrs, and 550 soldier bonus wrs (with another 146 map wrs, 81 course wrs, and 138 bonus wrs as demo) at what point does someone demonstrate what that none of their times can be trusted to be on an even playing field in a speedrun server; completely invalidating the point of running against them.

On top of this this person was using their administrative powers to potentially cheat. They potentially wiped evidence, altered dzs, and god knows what else, all while having free reign with no other active admins. who wants to sit down and verify every record considering the cheating we only know of or have evidence of. How do we know this isnt the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this manipulation. How much have they done, and who wants to sit down and find out. Does someone want to go back and compare dzs of previous runs to boshys current ones to check for dz manipulation? How about freezeglitching? meanwhile boshy can just delete the evidence as he would see fit, which there is potential he already has. How do we know they haven't done shit we don't know about? You can keep the records for posterity if you really want too, but otherwise the entire point of the server is to run against others within a set of rules and set times here.

Boshy if guilty has had free reign to literally cheat an exceptional amount of times. he absolutely has the skill to set everything here, but he may have also demonstrated willingness to cheat literally all of it too, and completely unchecked as well. Don't know how to don't wipe someone like that, as much as it would fuck over tempus and delete amazing runs.

for the record this evidence is incredibly suspicious, but wanna wait before using definitive terms
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 01:33:44 AM by generic »


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There's no rush, what I would do is instantly wipe all runs that do not have demos, then as people watch runs with demos, if any are found to be cheated then those too are wiped.

EDIT: Ok I read your post more carefully and watched ondkajas videos and actually I agree that this might be the one case where a complete wipe would be justified since it would be possible to cheat in an undetectable way as an admin (this is assuming that tempus doesn't store zone change history as waldo alluded to in an earlier post)
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There's no rush, what I would do is instantly wipe all runs that do not have demos, then as people watch runs with demos, if any are found to be cheated then those too are wiped.

EDIT: Ok I read your post more carefully and watched ondkajas videos and actually I agree that this might be the one case where a complete wipe would be justified since it would be possible to cheat in an undetectable way as an admin (this is assuming that tempus doesn't store zone change history as waldo alluded to in an earlier post)

We can attempt to keep the provably non-cheated times, assuming that zone change history is something that we have access to. If not, then it seems like we have no choice but to assume all of the times are cheated.


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Any reason why boshy's new damer b3 time (#15) isn't uploaded? As far as I know it shouldn't take 17 hours for a demo to be uploaded? Thought it would've helped his case if he uploaded the demos of him doing the run to prove his innocence...


https://imgur.com/q7f8AQm
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I have no idea why it's not letting me download the demo
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Well I have never been able to download a demo from tempus.xyz, only in game link


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I have no idea why it's not letting me download the demo

Well I have never been able to download a demo from tempus.xyz, only in game link
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Hmm, that's interesting, that may or may not be important when it comes to some demos being unavailable, possibly. I don't know.


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I have no idea why it's not letting me download the demo

Well I have never been able to download a demo from tempus.xyz, only in game link

Hmm, that's interesting, that may or may not be important when it comes to some demos being unavailable, possibly. I don't know.
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righ clicking the download button and opening it in a new tab may fix the issues you're both having.