Decision: bohy

[cat‎]

polls are not always the best option because most people have bad opinions and don't know what they want. this decision happening behind closed doors would be fine as long as there's more than 1 person making it, hence why so many people have been asking for new admins as a result of this whole Drama.

the purpose of the poll would be to exist as a reference if scotch or any other admin decides to edit anything about this verdict, not to be an authoritative presence in this issue.

[League]

I agree with the bonus and trick wipes but the ban duration is a joke. Please reconsider this Scotch.

[sciens]

Boshy will not be receiving a full wipe as there is no evidence of any cheated map or course records.

Does this set a precedent for future offenses by others? I'm not suggesting it should; I'm just looking for some transparency on this matter.

[Superchuck]

This punishment (if you can even call it that) is an absolute joke. It's a light slap on the wrist, when it should be a sucker punch. How can his ban be shorter than the length of time we was abusing admin!? If anyone else were to do just one of the multiple things Boshy did, their punishment would be much greater. So why is it that when someone, who we should hold to a higher standard, cheats in multiple ways, they get a lighter sentence, both in terms of wiping and ban length.

It is my opinion that Boshy should be fully wiped and banned for a year. It should not matter how many records someone has, if they cheat enough for some times to be wiped, they all deserve to be wiped. If it is decided not to wipe map times, as seems to be the general consensus, then I will fight to give Boshy a perma ban. Abusing admin power through multiple means just because something was "extremely frustrating" would be grounds for a permanent ban in any other community.

If you are using how much Boshy has helped the community as an excuse for a light sentence, I beg you reconsider. Anyone else could have done the job he did, and without all the extra cheating and scandals involved too.

Edit: For the record, I don't believe a single word from Boshy's apology. He's shown no accountability in the past, and is only sorry that he got caught.

[Zike]

I'm of the opinion that Boshy acted correctly by swiftly and decisively halting and addressing the exploits, and I believe he acted with the Tempus community's best interests in mind.

Clearly, some players felt that the green box exploit on jump_housebeta fell more on the side of strat than game breaking. Due to this, a review of this exploit will be conducted, and a community poll held if necessary.

Not to detract from the main purpose of this thread (green box will need another thread/discord discussion), but I would hope this isn't a true community poll as it seems quite asinine that people who have literally not even beaten the map could determine anything about said map. I would hope this is more a decision among mods/admins and top runners (either general good players or people with top times on the map). In my opinion a general community poll can be almost as bad as a singular person's decision. Additionally just about the skip itself, the people I have asked from top demos to random jumpers is that they either A. don't see why it shouldn't be allowed or B. don't care because it's housebeta (let's be honest I'm really the only person that cares about that map).

Looking to the future it would be nice if there was some general guidelines to handle future exploits to determine what is allowed. For instance, this green box skip was a big ordeal, however no one said anything when I found a new headglitch on jump_pure that saves around 5 seconds. So does that mean skips are allowed if they're only 5 seconds and not 30? Are they allowed if they're just headglitches? But what about the headglitches into level select rooms that historically have not been allowed? What about spaghetti b1 where you need to noclip out of bounds to start the run? There's plenty of other examples, and it is highly likely more major skips/exploits will be found in the future. Hence why I am of the opinion the process of determining of what is and is not allowed should be overhauled.

More specifically about Boshy and his current punishment, I won't really comment on it but I will leave this list of recent bans for others to compare with. Additionally I have been told that Boshy has asked for his bonus wrs to be wiped in the past so he no longer felt the need to constantly retake lost wrs. If this is still true wiping his bonus wrs is not a punishment, but him getting what he wants no?


Lastly, if a Boshy wr pops up in the future with a demo not possible to find would this time be wiped? It seems reasonable to me that any wrs Boshy has without demos should simply be wiped given the history of unlinked demos being cheated.

[Shunix]

We should use this opportunity to remove points from bonuses all together.

I pontificate that the grinding of bonus times for points leads to severe hemorrhaging of iq points and thus is a danger not only to tempus, but to humanity itself.

furthermore if you use the third person command while jumping, I fuck you mother.

 

[Zike]

We should use this opportunity to remove points from bonuses all together.

I pontificate that the grinding of bonus times for points leads to severe hemorrhaging of iq points and thus is a danger not only to tempus, but to humanity itself.

furthermore if you use the third person command while jumping, I fuck you mother.

 

[S|Esquire V] Shunix -tt : !thirdperson

[Shunix]

We should use this opportunity to remove points from bonuses all together.

I pontificate that the grinding of bonus times for points leads to severe hemorrhaging of iq points and thus is a danger not only to tempus, but to humanity itself.

furthermore if you use the third person command while jumping, I fuck you mother.

 

[S|Esquire V] Shunix -tt : !thirdperson

[shakez]

i cant believe shunix is my dad

[gibus]

Have you checked all zone history, or just that bonus?

[Skinny]

So song got a 3 month ban and full wipe as he wouldn't say what maps he was macroing

Boshy gets 3 months and bonus wipe as he was cheating them

You guys want consistency in bans but complain when they are consistent?

[Kate]

Dude gets a wipe of all bonus's and a 3 month ban for cheating and abusing admin powers?  And I get perm banned and wiped by him for taking armature c2??

[Waldo]

So song got a 3 month ban and full wipe as he wouldn't say what maps he was macroing

Boshy gets 3 months and bonus wipe as he was cheating them

You guys want consistency in bans but complain when they are consistent?

Song was only unbanned because Scotch intervened. Boshy is on record saying that he would extend it indefinitely, as he did for the past 2 months.

The proof against song consisted almost entirely of the gaylord and damer bonuses, which were suspect because he got them too quickly or was too consistent: not hard proof. He's already redone gaylord b2 on stream, with a webcam pointed at his keyboard and mouse -- you can ask him for his POV demo and do all the analysis on that you want. I don't know what more you want from him, he's legit and very good at this game.

Boshy cheated in VERY clear ways and that's not even in question. He put considerable effort into covering up that fact, abusing years of trust as well as his status as the only active admin. Funny how he justified banning people for the heavy times because "it breaks tempus" when he was the pioneer of abusing admin commands to break the DB entries for his times, hiding the demos (and also making the website hang if you tried to view them). Meanwhile, he carried on a great moral crusade against song.

There's nothing close to proof (or even allegation) of song cheating anything in map/course records. Song had plenty of insanely optimized map times that got wiped. Saying that he got wiped because "he wouldn't say what maps he was macroing" is idiotic; where's Boshy's public statement about every time he cheated? Am I supposed to accept that he only cheated exactly those times which we were able to dig up? What about the records where we couldn't find a demo?

Plenty of courses play like bonuses; if we accept the idea that he only cheated times that he thought were Dumb And Not Cool, there's not much difference between the jump_straight courses and random bonuses. Where's the audit on those?

You can say that Boshy was a biased and unjust admin, and therefore he shouldn't be punished by the same metric that song was. Sure, Scotch is doing the judging now and I trust his judgement a good deal more.

Don't try to argue that Boshy's actions as admin are precedent for anything other than a full player wipe and a permaban.

[vov&sons]

Dude gets a wipe of all bonus's and a 3 month ban for cheating and abusing admin powers?  And I get perm banned and wiped by him for taking armature c2??

October 14th, 2017:

This time a Jump Academy moderator decided to come on over and show us how it's done...
Kit - 1 month ban + full wipe
Reasoning: Prolific use of freeze-glitching spanning many runs.
Map: jump_cubic
Demo: http://tempus-demos.s3.amazonaws.com/5/auto-20171014-165029-jump_cubic.zip
Tick: ~100 000
Preview:
https://gfycat.com/SorrowfulKlutzyAlligatorgar
https://gfycat.com/HarmoniousUntriedHen

Looks like they need to return to JA and hone their technique!

December 11th, 2018:

In an unsurprising development, known cheater...
Kate/Kit
...cheats once again.
Representing Jump Academy in capacity as Moderator, they demonstrate a fundamental lack of keyboard and mouse ability by failing to achieve anything, other than a permanent ban and wipe.

jump_bouncehop
Demo

Tick: from the start
There isn't much to this demo, doesn't miss a single correctly started bhop for the entirety of the demo, roughly 38k ticks or close to 10 minutes. Of particular interest is the strafe level, as that seems to be the biggest barrier to this person successfully completing the map with a cheat program


jump_bounce
Demo

Tick: 0 - 11000
2 bhops
1 "powerbounce"
32 failed pbs
In roughly 2:50 of keyboard disaster

Tick: 16000 - 211000
Not a single failed pb in 50 minutes of runs


jump_maso
Demo

Tick: from the start
Really enough evidence by itself, poor movement combined with a cheat program = a mediocre set of runs


jump_lithium
Demo

Tick: from the start
Truly cementing the trackpad movement here, perfect bhops very much struggle to carry them in this run

Happy holidays!!

Yep... just takin' armature c2...

[Kate]

Dude gets a wipe of all bonus's and a 3 month ban for cheating and abusing admin powers?  And I get perm banned and wiped by him for taking armature c2??

October 14th, 2017:

This time a Jump Academy moderator decided to come on over and show us how it's done...
Kit - 1 month ban + full wipe
Reasoning: Prolific use of freeze-glitching spanning many runs.
Map: jump_cubic
Demo: http://tempus-demos.s3.amazonaws.com/5/auto-20171014-165029-jump_cubic.zip
Tick: ~100 000
Preview:
https://gfycat.com/SorrowfulKlutzyAlligatorgar
https://gfycat.com/HarmoniousUntriedHen

Looks like they need to return to JA and hone their technique!

December 11th, 2018:

In an unsurprising development, known cheater...
Kate/Kit
...cheats once again.
Representing Jump Academy in capacity as Moderator, they demonstrate a fundamental lack of keyboard and mouse ability by failing to achieve anything, other than a permanent ban and wipe.

jump_bouncehop
Demo

Tick: from the start
There isn't much to this demo, doesn't miss a single correctly started bhop for the entirety of the demo, roughly 38k ticks or close to 10 minutes. Of particular interest is the strafe level, as that seems to be the biggest barrier to this person successfully completing the map with a cheat program


jump_bounce
Demo

Tick: 0 - 11000
2 bhops
1 "powerbounce"
32 failed pbs
In roughly 2:50 of keyboard disaster

Tick: 16000 - 211000
Not a single failed pb in 50 minutes of runs


jump_maso
Demo

Tick: from the start
Really enough evidence by itself, poor movement combined with a cheat program = a mediocre set of runs


jump_lithium
Demo

Tick: from the start
Truly cementing the trackpad movement here, perfect bhops very much struggle to carry them in this run

Happy holidays!!

Yep... just takin' armature c2...

Boshy requarding my armature c2 ban on the mmod discord.

He deleted the message after I posted it lmao