Casual controversy

[Grandpa]

So whats everyones take on it? Legit? Not?

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ba610wia9jds7ya/skylight.7z - Here's the demo, if you wanna take a look.

Personally, it seems a bit fishy, his aim seems odd in some spots, he curves his aim perfectly on that last jump too, which was weird. But idk, thats me. I couldn't really care.

Thoughts?

[RNC1839]

If he is making TAS runs (which I think he is) I would have no problem IF he actually fucking said they were TAS's. And if they are then the ROTW's should be revoked, or converted to TASOTW's.

I plan on making at least 1 TAS run myself, and when I do I will make painfully clear that I cheated the run, and it's not legit. Also I 'cheated' every map showcase I've made to look flawless and you want to know what happened? NO ONE CARED. If you say you lied or don't say it's flawless no one will care.

This is the same thing as what happened with Zigzati, Raiin, and Casual (the other times). There will be no answer given. No on will ever know what is really going on except for Casual.

Also considering that this even exists is a whole different issue. http://www.casualhacks.net/forums/index.php
And we know the guy who made that hack is interested in jumping. http://imgur.com/a/WdJkj

[Exile]

He has a division 3 winner medal I don't think we should fuck with him

[nolem]

The speedshots from 1:00 - 1:10 looked really strange to me. I took a look at the stv and he never went to the crouchwalk thing like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WaXHKI8JIE. Casual's legs were still the whole time in that part of the demo. I've been told that this is possible but I don't really know and it looked really odd when I watched it.

[Oatmeal]

Why doesn't he just go on a (tempus?) server and do a comparable run of any map, while RNC and some other people are watching? Maybe then can we stop having these threads, regardless of the results

[RNC1839]

I did a full tick by tick analysis using http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5590/repost-see-player-keypresses-when-watching-a-dem/?page=1

http://pastebin.com/VpgdGmMe

This run is fake imo. Unless Casual, himself, can explain all of my notes. I do know that there are scripts that will basically override any movement if you are holding a and tap d. And I do understand that you can bind jump, crouch, and fire to one key. What I don't get is why jump, crouch, and fire seem to work as toggles, and why a script that cancels a and d out would vary from 0 to 3 ticks.

He did not use a bhop script/plugin but every other type of cheating is still on the board as possible.

The mouse movements are fucking weird, the timing on some things is perfect, this can't be legit.

1 lucky bounce
1 sync bounce (not 100% sure)
9 speedshots
7 syncs (1 ctaped)
2 sync speedshots
1 edgeshot

[John]

someone did prove that you can somewhat fuck up demos
http://teamfortress.tv/thread/15685/corrupting-demos-for-fun/?page=1
hmm, seems casual enough for anyone to do it


though i do not think that the demo is in fact tampered with, but a TAS does seem plausible

i love drama i hope this goes somewhere

[Oatmeal]

someone did prove that you can somewhat fuck up demos
http://teamfortress.tv/thread/15685/corrupting-demos-for-fun/?page=1
hmm, seems casual enough for anyone to do it

But why the alt account? 

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[Combustion]

We also must understand that Casual has cheated runs before. (Void) Which was proven to be fake so who is to say it wont be repeated. And why only beginnings 2013 maps?

[Combustion]

We also must understand that Casual has cheated runs before. (Void) Which was proven to be fake so who is to say it wont be repeated. And why only beginnings 2013 maps?

Also. It looks like every speedshot he hit was intended. The bounces after the pogos seem too good to be true. I think its a TAS run

[Sere]

We also must understand that Casual has cheated runs before. (Void) Which was proven to be fake so who is to say it wont be repeated. And why only beginnings 2013 maps?

Maybe he's going to do B2 maps during the competition, and is just showing everybody his "skills" so it's less suspicious.

[Grandpa]

If he is making TAS runs (which I think he is) I would have no problem IF he actually fucking said they were TAS's. And if they are then the ROTW's should be revoked, or converted to TASOTW's.

I plan on making at least 1 TAS run myself, and when I do I will make painfully clear that I cheated the run, and it's not legit. Also I 'cheated' every map showcase I've made to look flawless and you want to know what happened? NO ONE CARED. If you say you lied or don't say it's flawless no one will care.

This is the same thing as what happened with Zigzati, Raiin, and Casual (the other times). There will be no answer given. No on will ever know what is really going on except for Casual.

Also considering that this even exists is a whole different issue. http://www.casualhacks.net/forums/index.php
And we know the guy who made that hack is interested in jumping. http://imgur.com/a/WdJkj

Yeah, i think it's TAS or TAJ(Tool-assited-jumping)lol run aswell. It doesnt seem right.

The last may be true, but it shouldn't be brought up here, lets keep that for something else.

[sitood]

Also considering that this even exists is a whole different issue. http://www.casualhacks.net/forums/index.php
And we know the guy who made that hack is interested in jumping. http://imgur.com/a/WdJkj

Looking at his aliases, it must be his own site.

[tyjle]

someone did prove that you can somewhat fuck up demos

I've been told that demo files aren't video files, but a kind of script that tells the player on screen where to go in he map. Maybe he changed some things around to skip parts of the run.

Either way, it still looks awesome.

[Bonafide]

How about instead of wasting your time on finding things that may not even be there and mad theories (and even if it is there, there is nothing to gain here for anyone except tusic, and barely even anything for him) And actually practise so you CAN become this good someday, does jumping really have to sink this low? I mean, if you can't even think to yourself, maybe he is just really good and I'll just let it be instead of going on a witchhunt AGAIN, how long will it take before EVERY run is considered "fishy"

Most of these theories are just as ridiculous as pub players screaming "STOP HACKING, THIS CANT BE REAL" when someone hits a couple of headshots in a row.

and again
there is nothing to gain here for anyone