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tyjle

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Well if you don't care why did you write that.


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I made it pretty clear that I cared by the length of that post and never said that I didn't. I just said there isn't a reason to shitpost speculations and ask repetitive questions to Casual. To keep commenting about how distraught you are that someone would cheat in a video game as if its never happened before just shows how much you feed on these sort of posts. When I say who gives a shit I am meaning that you need to grow a little and leave it in the past. It's this type of post that you seek so here you go. Best of luck in the Jump Academy, tyjle. Probably better I just stop visiting this thread since its basically toxic.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 10:03:28 PM by cody »


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By beating a dead horse I wasn't referring to the topic you were talking about at all I was just referring to the amount of repetitive shit posts everyone was spewing at me, alle and Casual. I don't even have to respond to you right now but I am going to in this thread one last time and it is going to be directed towards you mainly. I do not know why you're holding such a grudge against me. I know in your head you probably don't think if it as a grudge but you definitely are projecting it like one, and it doesn't matter if in your reply you say "its not a grudge" because its how I view it. If you really couldn't care less like you said in your first post then you wouldn't be replying to what I say with a meaningful answer. Then continue to ask questions about how me and alle "covered it up." I am not entirely sure of his reasoning, but I honestly believed that until Casual came out himself and told us that he was okay until them, I don't care how silly that sounds at all. Who gives a shit when he decided to tell you guys, does it really hurt your image? Of course not you idiots its a video game. Who gives a shit about hypotheticals and suggestions if its already happened. Its absolutely fucking pointless. He cheated in a video game Gramps, whoop dee doo. You win! Just realized how stupid it was for me to even react to Raiin cheating.

A grudge? You can think whatever you want to think, but i dont have a "grudge" against you, i just dont like you attitude right now. Thats all. This thread isnt even about me, if you wanted to talk about "our problem" just pm me or something.

Covered it up? When did i insinuate that? I merely asked why you guys defended him so harshly, regardless if you knew he was cheating or not. Like the pointless banter the other day on the jump server, which i wont go into, since it really contributes nothing to this discussion.

Who gives a shit? Apparently the community does, theres nothing wrong with wanting some "answers" if Casual is only willing to say "i did it because i was un-sure" then fine, he can say that. It doesnt mean we have to accept that answer.

Hurt my image? It's a video game? Ok? Whats the point of adding these to the conversation, "it's just a game" is literally a cop-out, to avoid any possible discussion. Nothing has "hurt my image" in this entire thread, so i have no clue why you added that.

Some of us want to discuss the future of this. How it will be worked with re-garding timers and such. "He cheated in a game, whoop dee doo" See, comments like this revoke any possible rhetoric.

It isn't stupid to "react to cheating" some people were concerned, whats the problem with talking about it?






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It's really disappointing that the only thing Alle and Cody did when they came to this thread is complaining about the quality of the discussion rather than explaining why they lied to us for so long. Telling us that it's just a video game and that we should "get over it" isn't helping your cause either.

To Casual if you are still here. Please answer my questions, I don't think they have been answered yet or are repetitive:
http://tf2rj.com/forum/index.php?topic=793.msg4016#msg4016



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Just realized how stupid it was for me to even react to Raiin cheating.

finally someone understands me :^)

the fact is people enjoy speedrunning video games. why the hell are you posting videos of yourself cheating and making them legit? that literally ruins the entire reason to speedrun. why would anyone want to be faster than a bot that has maximized its own potential on a map? what's the point of speedruns if TASs were allowed as actual human speedruns?

people can be angry, i am fine with that. there is no need to cause a fucking witchhunt like people did in the raiin thread.

the only shitposters are the people that did not know the situation that you were in. you apparently did not know that casual was indeed doing TASs. You have the right to believe that Casual was legit the whole time. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure why people are attacking you and alle personally because a point has been made by obsidiian that you personally did not know about the TAS until recently. Not sure what alle has known, though.

everyone is indeed spewing toxic here and there in this thread. "omg cody sux" "alle is shit" "i used to have respect but now i don't" fuck off.

half the people in here are indeed fucking targeting users for no fucking reason but because they realized that "oh no casual is a liar time to hate everyone associated with him" without realizing the full situation. I'm not claiming that I do, but if you're going to make fucking claims you better start showing up with proof or else I'll be banning people for personal flaming.

normally i wouldn't be defending cheaters and associates of said cheaters, but you people are giving way too many baseless opinions and spewing fire all over the place


well then. rnc's post below has shown me the light
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 11:18:17 PM by John »


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A source gave me this: http://pastebin.com/GPpejXtm

line 17:
cody alle's cheerleader: i lied to everyone on that rotw
cody alle's cheerleader: literally
cody alle's cheerleader: all 3,659 people
cody alle's cheerleader: i lied to


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When I say who gives a shit I am meaning that you need to grow a little and leave it in the past.

I would like to see the jump community grow a little, ban these three douchbags and move on to a better future.




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cody alle's cheerleader: IMO Casual and Cody should be banned from beginnings. Casual for cheating, Cody for corroborating.
cody alle's cheerleader: lol
cody alle's cheerleader: rnc cant do shit
cody alle's cheerleader: he has no say
cody alle's cheerleader: in what happens
cody alle's cheerleader: in beginnings

Luckily other people who are against you do.

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cody alle's cheerleader: and i wouldnt care much either way

Makes it all that much easier :)


tyjle

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I'm just nervous on his decision to release it publicly or not. Do we have any final answers on that?

I would certainly feel some pressure if I knew I could destroy jumping or improve it.

Edit: Stir up speed running in jumping, not destroy it. Sorry for the poor choice of words.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 09:47:41 AM by tyjle »


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I'm just nervous on his decision to release it publicly or not. Do we have any final answers on that?

I would certainly feel some pressure if I knew I could destroy jumping or improve it.

Destroy jumping? How is some (super trustworthy) tas plugin supposed to destroy jumping?


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1. He should have made it public this tool existed from the beginning, instead he chose to hide it for months, this was his decision alone. Don't try to sell anyone that garbage about you being told not to do it

2. He shouldn't release it because people will abuse it and a dozen more casuals  8) will appear. However RNC's friend with the online bot is a very good idea and should be looked further into.

3. All three should be banned from beginnings for supporting cheats. And not coming clean, not even after the 4th run.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2014, 10:04:17 AM by Bonafide »


tyjle

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2. He shouldn't release it because people will abuse it and a dozen more casuals  8) will appear. However RNC's friend with the online bot is a very good idea and should be looked further into.

This is kinda what I meant.


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Is this going to become the beginning of everyone's paranoia with speedruns ? No perfect run will be admired but denied but everyone. This is kinda sad but yea, cheating on a run is stupid even if it looks amazing.
TAS runs could become really interesting to learn strats and do REAL runs with them.

Anyway I don't think blaming alle and cody will solve the main problem...


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All three should be punished as an example for future cheaters trying to pass off TAS runs for legit.


tyjle

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Anyway I don't think blaming alle and cody will solve the main problem...

I don't think we were really blaming them, and he people that did didn't really know what happened. It appears Cody didn't actually know, and Alle just lied.